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Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by ascorbic »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #72
Animats wrote: post #62

China's leadership seems to be becoming more paranoid. Yet China has no serious external enemies other than the ones they make for themselves, the economy is stressed a bit but production is in great shape, and the standard of living has been rising for years. Why?

Because the west has been stepping up propaganda. I remember 5 years ago, most outlets had very pro-China things to say. Now it's undoubtedly taken a very negative turn. Daily stories about China's impending economic collapse, their various 'crackdowns', and so on. Even this article. To be honest, half of the stuff they want to ban isn't even allowable in Canadian media (literally, 3 out of 6 bullet points are strait…

Coverage has taken a negative turn because events have taken a negative turn. Growth is weakening. Shares have fallen sharply. Exports are down. And they're doing things like this.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by rorykoehler »

bittercynic wrote: post #47
pkaye wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Say you are driving 10 mph over the speed limit on a 60 mph highway for an hour, the maximum time savings is less than 10 minutes out of an hour. If the trip is shorter or you have stop, turns, traffic, the savings are even less. So in most cases except long distance drives, the savings are minimal. It is just that we are all impatient.

10 minutes seems like a pretty substantial amount of time to me.

Actually you are wasting 50 minutes in this scenario as you could have used the time not driving yourself to do something productive/enjoyable.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by jsloss »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #72
Animats wrote: post #62

China's leadership seems to be becoming more paranoid. Yet China has no serious external enemies other than the ones they make for themselves, the economy is stressed a bit but production is in great shape, and the standard of living has been rising for years. Why?

Because the west has been stepping up propaganda. I remember 5 years ago, most outlets had very pro-China things to say. Now it's undoubtedly taken a very negative turn. Daily stories about China's impending economic collapse, their various 'crackdowns', and so on. Even this article. To be honest, half of the stuff they want to ban isn't even allowable in Canadian media (literally, 3 out of 6 bullet points are strait…

I see one point that would be illegal in Canada. All the others have language that makes them far more broad than any restrictions placed on our media here. But I'm probably brainwashed just like you my friend.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by Mikeb85 »

jsloss wrote: post #83
Mikeb85 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the west has been stepping up propaganda. I remember 5 years ago, most outlets had very pro-China things to say. Now it's undoubtedly taken a very negative turn. Daily stories about China's impending economic collapse, their various 'crackdowns', and so on. Even this article. To be honest, half of the stuff they want to ban isn't even allowable in Canadian media (literally, 3 out of 6 bullet points are strait…

I see one point that would be illegal in Canada. All the others have language that makes them far more broad than any restrictions placed on our media here. But I'm probably brainwashed just like you my friend.

2, 3 and 5 are illegal in Canada (disclosing state secrets, inciting ethnic hatred/violence, and slander).

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by mavdi »

Animats wrote: post #62

China's leadership seems to be becoming more paranoid. Yet China has no serious external enemies other than the ones they make for themselves, the economy is stressed a bit but production is in great shape, and the standard of living has been rising for years. Why?

Chinese most fear a civil war. Nearly 10 million people died during the last civil war, the one before that 36 million people died. One before over 25 million. compare that with the absolute carnage of Syria which has taken 300,000 lives so far. The scale of disaster will be uncomparable to anything else if another civil unrest happens in China. We like to call them paranoid, but their paranoia isn't baseless.

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Post by Cerium »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #75
api wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My brother in law lived there for years and claims that the general sense is that if the leadership can't maintain at least 5-10% GDP growth forever they will lose favor. People there are very unsatisfied with the government but they're also afraid of revolution. Paranoia seems a good description of the government's mentality.

> People there are very unsatisfied with the government but they're also afraid of revolution. Sounds like the west. Yet we're too fat, lazy and complacent to do anything. Bernie and Trump are achieving some success because of this, but in the end Hillary will win (possibly through some sort of shenanigans), continue towards Obama and the establishment's police state, and once again the people will lose. It's funny h…

People may be dissatisfied with the government in the west, but the context is different. People in China have fresh memories of shortage and hardship. My wife is 26 years old and remembers a childhood where meat could only be bought once a week. The people do not want to loose the prosperity of the last ten years.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by merpnderp »

dageshi wrote: post #13

Sounds like the normal thing in China. Make something illegal, don't enforce it, if someone's saying something you don't like then enforce it specifically against them, keeps everyone else in line.

Often how administrations play favorites from corporate backers. If anyone breaks the law then you have to in order to stay competitive. But now if you speak your mind the EPA/FDA/whomever shows up.

Re: Beijing is banning all foreign media from publishing online in China

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Post by coldtea »

Animats wrote: post #62

China's leadership seems to be becoming more paranoid. Yet China has no serious external enemies other than the ones they make for themselves, the economy is stressed a bit but production is in great shape, and the standard of living has been rising for years. Why?

>Yet China has no serious external enemies other than the ones they make for themselves

Except tons of western interested parties, you mean, who would be very glad to see the regime go, and be able to freely plunder the country a la Yeltsin's Russia.

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