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Re: WhatsApp will no longer charge subscription fees

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Sadly signal uses your number too.

Yes. But I'd rather give it to moxie than anybody else.

Your name and number are already in all major databases if you have any friends with smartphones.

I am just annoyed that I cannot choose and control my 'identity' but instead am bound to the provider's number.

Re: WhatsApp will no longer charge subscription fees

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Also WhatsApp is closed-source, but Telegram's client is open-source.

Telegram is actually not open, they just throw some sources to github or as zip files at their's langing page. That's why i quit Telegram and built open source "Telegram" - https://actor.im and replaced spagetti-encryption with enhanced version of Signal's one.

Considering it is pretty much the gold standard for crypto, how did you enhance it?

Re: WhatsApp will no longer charge subscription fees

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Not everything with Telegram is open source like Signal. I still use Telegram because it's designed better and updated much more frequently.

I'm using both, too. :) But unfortunately I don't use Chrome, so I can't use Signal on my PC yet.

There are some FF-related pull requests on GitHub, but it seems that guy hasn't signed the contributor agreement. Maybe we'll get an FF-version soon.

Re: WhatsApp will no longer charge subscription fees

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Telegram is actually not open, they just throw some sources to github or as zip files at their's langing page. That's why i quit Telegram and built open source "Telegram" - https://actor.im and replaced spagetti-encryption with enhanced version of Signal's one.

Considering it is pretty much the gold standard for crypto, how did you enhance it?

We added one extra level based on Russian encryption. So if Curve25519 or AES encryption will be broken there are still be russian level. To break our crypto Russia and US need to cooperate that is impossible.

Re: WhatsApp will no longer charge subscription fees

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> until recently whatsapp/facebook couldn't actually read any message sent by users to other users/groups because of the end to end encryption in place Does that mean they can now?

Your question would have been answered if you had read the paragraph. That statement is based on my latest information, which is a few months dated, that they couldn't. Things could have changed but it's unlikely.

The paragraph doesn't say anything one way or another.

Re: WhatsApp will no longer charge subscription fees

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So it's a project, not a business.

You say that as if is has less value for not being a business. When ideals are involved (strong encryption, privacy, ad-free), being run as a lean, open-source project is worth much more than being owned by a megacorp like Facebook.

> You say that as if is has less value for not being a business.

No, I did not :-P

Re: WhatsApp will no longer charge subscription fees

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This. A messaging app like WhatsApp could become a platform. I'm not sure how the "apps" in this world would look like but I would find it great if text interactions (like on IRC, in the shell, or a text adventure) would have a comeback. Forget most of HTML/CSS and get back to basics ;-) In reality, some graphical UI will probably be necessary.

I just wish we had a good way to do this without locking it all into a single proprietary platform.

Text messages?

Re: WhatsApp will no longer charge subscription fees

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I'm using both, too. :) But unfortunately I don't use Chrome, so I can't use Signal on my PC yet.

There are some FF-related pull requests on GitHub, but it seems that guy hasn't signed the contributor agreement. Maybe we'll get an FF-version soon.

Why is a contributor agreement needed? Can you post the link to the PR?
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