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Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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Re: Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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Post by austinjp »

robbiep wrote: post #41
fiatmoney wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People like to blame antibiotic resistance on farms, but human populations with high rates of infection and transmission who aren't good at taking the full course of (or any) drugs are a more immediate problem. Increasing rates of drug-resistant tuberculosis and STDs aren't due to farm animals.

The best evidence today actually says that you don't need to finish your course [0]. Not that you are wrong in the human consumption aspect. but finishing courses could strengthen resistance and spread of resistant organisms by creating a selective pressure in the organism (the human) to only have bacterial colonization from those that are resistant [0] https://www.mja.com.au/insight/2015/5/stop-antibiotics-exper...

While that's interesting I don't think it's "best evidence".

Unfortunately our mechanisms for determining best evidence are woefully slow, complex, and expensive. Systematic reviews, for instance. Either this process needs to be improved (an excellent candidate for AI) or a nearly-as-good surrogate needs to be supported by policy makers.

Re: Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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Post by anon79b8ad22b »

BookmarkSaver wrote: post #69
anon79b8ad22b wrote: post #64

> We need to start discussing immigration without the stifling constraints of political correctness. Leftists only support immigration because the immigrants vote overwhelmingly for left-wing parties. It's effectively a grand scheme to establish permanent majorities for left-wing parties through demographic replacement. If these immigrants were white, Christian, and conservative, walls would have already gone up to p…

Yes, clearly it is 100% a corrupt conspiracy. Nothing to do with ideals or compassion or even historical evidence, it is entirely calculated self-interest on behalf of every liberal party member. And it's definitely not just a natural cycle where immigrants tend to support parties that aid immigration, it's clearly a grand "scheme".

Conspiracy implies secrecy, but leftists have been anything but secret on their designs to establish permanent majorities for themselves through immigration. They even write boastful articles like the ones below celebrating the impeding unelectability of Republicans due to demographic changes brought about by left-wing policies, policies which of course no one can question without being ostracized as a "racist":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/05/26/th... http://www.salon.com/2015/10/30/gop_death_spiral_shocker_wev...

Re: Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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Post by tahssa »

Wintamute wrote: post #37

What is not mentioned in the article is that the bacteria in question is treatable with a range of other antibiotics aside from Colistin ... make of that what you will.

From the article:

The organisms identified can be killed by cooking your food properly and all the bacteria we identified with this gene were responsive to other antibiotics, called carbapenems

Re: Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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Post by austinjp »

robotkilla wrote: post #32
jMyles wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds cruel, but I think we need to call people out when they eat factory meat.

I'm actually tired of the "blame the general public" argument. Blame the agricultural industry for this. I'm not going to take the blame for deforestation or lack of fresh water every time I eat a cheesburger, nor am I going to assume blame for pollution when I drive my car. Unless billions of people change within the next few years (which is so unrealistic that I feel comfortable saying it won't happen) then my indi…

Be the change you want to see in the world. Hopefully it will catch on. Certainly I think that giving up on a cause sends a powerful message that hope is lost.

Re: Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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Post by BookmarkSaver »

anon79b8ad22b wrote: post #82
BookmarkSaver wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, clearly it is 100% a corrupt conspiracy. Nothing to do with ideals or compassion or even historical evidence, it is entirely calculated self-interest on behalf of every liberal party member. And it's definitely not just a natural cycle where immigrants tend to support parties that aid immigration, it's clearly a grand "scheme".

Conspiracy implies secrecy, but leftists have been anything but secret on their designs to establish permanent majorities for themselves through immigration. They even write boastful articles like the ones below celebrating the impeding unelectability of Republicans due to demographic changes brought about by left-wing policies, policies which of course no one can question without being ostracized as a "racist": http…

What is even being argued here? First, about those articles, what "they" are you implying wrote them? And they don't seem "boastful" as much as descriptive. And even if they are liberals boasting about it, how does that make it a "scheme" so much as simply pointing out their successes and advantages?

Basically where is there any shred of evidence that the prevailing reason for supporting immigration is to generate a majority, rather than simply thinking it is the right or best thing to do?

Re: Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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Post by austinjp »

themartorana wrote: post #2

Officials say the threat to human health is low, but is under ongoing review. I feel better? Is my kid going to live in a post-apocalyptic world where a new Black Plague has wiped out 2/3 of the population because it is completely antibiotic resistant? Or will new solutions (maybe ones that attack at a molecular level) be available first? I'm not asking rhetorically, any input would be awesome.

"Black Plague"? Surely "the plague" or "the black death"..?

Re: Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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Post by panic »

cbeach wrote: post #34

Studies show that immigration, sadly, is linked to the spread of antibiotic-resistant diseases. Example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25418572/ Immigrant hotspots in London now have tuberculosis rates higher than Iraq and Rwanda. 80% of cases are people born abroad, and some are antibiotic-resistant. This is a disease we thought we'd erradicated: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34637968 The U.K. h…

The BBC article you linked contradicts your argument:

The rate of infection among UK-born Londoners has risen, while among the non-UK-born it has fallen - and the report said it would be wrong to assume TB was a disease of migrants.

Re: Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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Post by anon79b8ad22b »

BookmarkSaver wrote: post #85
anon79b8ad22b wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conspiracy implies secrecy, but leftists have been anything but secret on their designs to establish permanent majorities for themselves through immigration. They even write boastful articles like the ones below celebrating the impeding unelectability of Republicans due to demographic changes brought about by left-wing policies, policies which of course no one can question without being ostracized as a "racist": http…

What is even being argued here? First, about those articles, what "they" are you implying wrote them? And they don't seem "boastful" as much as descriptive. And even if they are liberals boasting about it, how does that make it a "scheme" so much as simply pointing out their successes and advantages? Basically where is there any shred of evidence that the prevailing reason for supporting immigration is to generate a…

I suppose these don't sound boastful to you either:

http://www.salon.com/2014/11/05/enjoy_it_while_it_lasts_gop_... http://www.salon.com/2012/11/07/whites_only_gop_meets_its_de...

Re: Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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Post by anon79b8ad22b »

e40 wrote: post #74
anon79b8ad22b wrote: post #64

> We need to start discussing immigration without the stifling constraints of political correctness. Leftists only support immigration because the immigrants vote overwhelmingly for left-wing parties. It's effectively a grand scheme to establish permanent majorities for left-wing parties through demographic replacement. If these immigrants were white, Christian, and conservative, walls would have already gone up to p…

Leftists only support immigration because the immigrants vote overwhelmingly for left-wing parties. BS. I know a lot of liberal people and I guarantee not one of them supports immigration on those grounds.

What other reason could there be for self-described progressives to support the mass importation of homophobic, misogynist, and devoutly religious Muslims, other than their unwavering support for left-wing parties?

Re: Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' found in UK

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Post by BookmarkSaver »

anon79b8ad22b wrote: post #88
BookmarkSaver wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is even being argued here? First, about those articles, what "they" are you implying wrote them? And they don't seem "boastful" as much as descriptive. And even if they are liberals boasting about it, how does that make it a "scheme" so much as simply pointing out their successes and advantages? Basically where is there any shred of evidence that the prevailing reason for supporting immigration is to generate a…

I suppose these don't sound boastful to you either: http://www.salon.com/2014/11/05/enjoy_it_while_it_lasts_gop_... http://www.salon.com/2012/11/07/whites_only_gop_meets_its_de...

I'll just quote myself, because you seem to have ignored the rest of what I've said in favor of mindlessly repeating yourself:

"And even if they are liberals boasting about it, how does that make it a "scheme" so much as simply pointing out their successes and advantages?

Basically where is there any shred of evidence that the prevailing reason for supporting immigration is to generate a majority, rather than simply thinking it is the right or best thing to do?"

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