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Re: Computer, Respond to This Email

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No you cannot, it is not part of the email protocol. Once it is sent, it is gone. I always have fun with those "Please delete messages" from Outlook sent to my email client.

Yes, that was a nice strong statement but you are wrong, and the other guy is right. When you send a message from Inbox, you can cancel it, for a few seconds. It doesn't bother actually sending it until the Undo button has disappeared.

The statement I was replying to never mentioned pressing undo button within a specified interval.

Re: Computer, Respond to This Email

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you cannot, it is not part of the email protocol. Once it is sent, it is gone. I always have fun with those "Please delete messages" from Outlook sent to my email client.

Gmail does not literally unsend SMTP messages. To give you time to undo, Gmail delays sending the message for a few seconds. So if you don't select "Undo" within the time limit, your message will be sent. How to use: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1284885?hl=en

The statement I was replying to never mentioned pressing undo button within a specified interval.

Re: Computer, Respond to This Email

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post #55

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I'm talking about a slightly different problem. I'm not suggesting that you might accidentally click to send a reply you didn't want to share, so you reviewing it is beside the point. I'm suggesting that by mining all our emails, it might make a suggestion to me based on something you didn't want to share. E.g. Someone writes me an email about a rare kink you often talk about. You're the main data point on that kink,…

You could also do something like googlebombing. Have lots of people send each other the same question, and all of them reply with the same/similar response.

Hehe. I bet they will filter that out :)

Re: Computer, Respond to This Email

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Hey, remember that one time when this feature was Gmail's April Fools Day joke[1]? Kind of funny how it's now a serious and actually useful-looking product. [1] https://www.gmail.com/mail/help/autopilot/

Wasn't the "Unsend" feature an April Fools joke as well? Man...I hit that Undo button at least several times/day.

Re: Computer, Respond to This Email

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post #29

I appreciate the privacy standards they used (no humans reading your email to develop this), but am concerned that it's not enough. As I understand with language models, overfitting takes the form of returning a sequence of words seen in the training set. If this is overfitting in any part of the response space, this could happen. Out of a million emails, how many suggested responses are going to substantively resemb…

That is a potential problem, especially if there is overfitting, but personal details are not likely to be generalized.

Re: Computer, Respond to This Email

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post #57

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That was a rational argument. You know as well as I do that if you explained it the way I did above most people would not care. But instead you insist on the "you're the product" FUD nonsense to elicit an emotional response. Spreading FUD is a demagogue's job, I would never condone it.

The point is that it's a plainly obvious rational argument that is the ground state of the discussion, not some brilliant insight that once it is revealed to people they're sure to see it your way. And it's not FUD to point out where money flows really come from. In fact I find myself wondering why you are so passionate about people not talking about it? It's not an invalid observation, a lie, or something irrelevant…

I'm passionate because I'm sick and tired of seeing the same nonsensical dishonest FUD memes such as "you're the product". "You're the product" is absolutely a lie, even with the most generous interpretation it implies something you own is being sold. Can you point out what thing is being sold? I'm not interested in being part of some "true HN" clique that rewards paranoia for imaginary internet points. And I'm not saying that you should "Stop following the money!", it's clear where the money comes from. Just don't make the waters muddy by spreading FUD when it's already clear is all I'm saying.

Re: Computer, Respond to This Email

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> sometimes very useful features which may be considered unorthodox like "Gmail telling you when it thinks you wanted to attach a file but forgot". That one's not that hard. http://marc.info/?l=mutt-dev&m=95685122323646&w=2

Thunderbird does this as well.

And Outlook, for many years.

Re: Computer, Respond to This Email

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post #2

I just started reading Avogadro Corp ( http://www.amazon.com/Avogadro-Corp-Singularity-Closer-Appea... ) this weekend, and this reminds me quite a lot of the emergent AI that figures heavily in the story (ELOPe). A quick synopsis: developers build a system to "improve" responses from emails. The system at some point is given the ability to send emails on its own, and a poorly issued directive. It's been an engaging r…

Sounds a bit like the premise for The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, where a payroll computer takes up learning humor as a hobby.

Re: Computer, Respond to This Email

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Hey, remember that one time when this feature was Gmail's April Fools Day joke[1]? Kind of funny how it's now a serious and actually useful-looking product. [1] https://www.gmail.com/mail/help/autopilot/

Another Google April Fools Day joke, some years ago, was Google Paper, or some such name. IIRC it was funny.
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