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Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Sep 05, 2015, 3:48 PM UTC

moe wrote: post #75

leaveyou wrote: post #68

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I provided the context and now you argue about the context instead of the main point: Merkel was sending positive messages to mobs of people who were trespassing borders of multiple EU and non-EU countries causing chaos. Refugees or immigrants, illegal immigration is still ILLEGAL. Merkel and her government directly and/or indirectly encouraged illegalities against other countries instead of discouraging them by guid…

I provided the context and now you argue about the context instead of the main point You provided random quotes, none of which support your "main point". "There is no tolerance for those people who question the dignity of others" You quote this and say it's an undue "positive message" to refugees? Do you even realize that Merkel is addressing people like you in this very quote?

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Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by informatimago » Sat, Sep 05, 2015, 4:11 PM UTC

moe wrote: post #27

generic_user wrote: post #24

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It is coordinated in the Press. The EU has its own Press agents that work with all Member state media and the international Press Including the USA. When the global press put a front page picture of a drowned Syrian Child on there covers it is a Coordinated release. Media Messaging is the bread and butter of the News Media. This story is part of Messageing to set the 'tone'.

The EU has its own Press agents that work with all Member state media and the international Press Including the USA. It really hurts to read this kind of drivel on HN. This is not how the press works. "The press" is not an uniform entity. This is not how any of this works. Please take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.

You really need to study the question. For example, in France, the medias are owned mainly my weapon manufaturers:

EADS, Dassault, Rothschild, Bouygues and Alstom.

https://mondeenquestion.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/la-mainmise...

In other countries, it's similar: the press is owned by oligarchs who have big interests in having wars all over the place.

Who makes the most money out of the war in Syria? Who has interest in having the fighting going on there (and therefore the need to buy weapons and munitions, with GOLD!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/14/isis-gold-silve...

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by moe » Sat, Sep 05, 2015, 4:13 PM UTC

[deleted] wrote: post #81

moe wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I provided the context and now you argue about the context instead of the main point You provided random quotes, none of which support your "main point". "There is no tolerance for those people who question the dignity of others" You quote this and say it's an undue "positive message" to refugees? Do you even realize that Merkel is addressing people like you in this very quote?

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An ad hominem and a neonazi propaganda video. How surprising, leaveyou.

That's really the only positive aspect about your ilk. Your limited means make you relatively easy to mark and insulate.

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Since leaveyou deleted his comment, here a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/yIQSdrJ.png

I won't repeat the URL to his propaganda video. If someone wants to see that drivel (framing refugees as "tourists") they can copy the URL from the screenshot.

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by informatimago » Sat, Sep 05, 2015, 4:18 PM UTC

Asbostos wrote: post #37

Has there ever been a case where a country received too many refugees and its economy deteriorated as a consequence? People provide labor which is what causes economic growth. They're the most valuable thing a country can have if it's not flooded with oil or similar natural resources. Of course there may be a lag as skills don't match demand, but that'll close up over time.

The economy of your house is striving but I'm sure it could be improved. What about we bring 10 immigrants in your very own house. Now the household income will be multiplied by five. You can't say its economy deteriorated as a consequence. If one of the immigrants, being of a different culture, see no problem in killing your child, another in raping your wife, and if you feel it's too crowed so you have to leave your house to get some sleep in the woods, I'm sure you can still say that it was the most valuable thing your house could have. Clearly you are under-exploiting the resources your house has to provide, wasting space, shelter and energy. Sure, ten immigrants will only bring five times the economic income you would, but with time, they'll close up!

Fucking idiot! In the mean time your wife has been raped your children killed, and you're dying frozen in the woods!

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by leaveyou » Sat, Sep 05, 2015, 5:08 PM UTC

moe wrote: post #83

[deleted] wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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An ad hominem and a neonazi propaganda video. How surprising, leaveyou. That's really the only positive aspect about your ilk. Your limited means make you relatively easy to mark and insulate. ----- Edit: ------ Since leaveyou deleted his comment, here a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/yIQSdrJ.png I won't repeat the URL to his propaganda video. If someone wants to see that drivel (framing refugees as "tourists") they…

Good day sir. Labels, rhetoric, harassment and high horses don't substitute logic and common sense. Do you want my employers email by the way ? You should definitely get me fired for disagreeing with you and posting "neo-nazi" videos.. Ah, my ignorance should not escape unpunished by such a wise debater. And BTW you forgot to call me anti-semite and racist.. Next comment maybe..

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by tzs » Sat, Sep 05, 2015, 5:21 PM UTC

joeyspn wrote: post #62

mineshaftgap wrote: post #39

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Holy fuck people get confused. Exactly how are Americans stopping you from voting? You don't think Europe and the US are aligned? Hate can be blinding. Has a there ever been even a single EU candidate that ran on an anti-US platform? If not why not?

> Exactly how are Americans stopping you from voting? Who said “Americans”? I’m just saying “they”, and “they” are the bribed politicians [0] (both in the US and Europe). “They” don’t want us to vote [1] because they know We (the citizens) are not aligned with everything that USA or ANYONE says and does. > Hate can be blinding. Has a there ever been even a single EU candidate that ran on an anti-US platform? LOL, who…

There is no vote on TPIP because there is no TPIP. When negotiators agree on what TPIP is, so that there is actually something to vote on, it will be voted on by whatever body normally votes on laws in most countries.

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by tiatia » Sat, Sep 05, 2015, 5:46 PM UTC

quonn wrote: post #20

tiatia wrote: post #14

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400,- Euro plus your actual rent, plus free health insurance plus some other benefits. A value of around 1000 Euro. Working for 40 hours per week for 10 Euro (above the minumum wage) gets you 1600 Euro before taxes. After taxes you are close to the 1000 Euro you get for free. For 70-80% of the world population this sounds too good to be true. The Germans lost their minds...

> For 70-80% of the world population this sounds too good to be true. Not sure what you're getting at here. For most of the world population the situation in _any_ rich country sounds too good to be true. The fact is that these people are mostly refugees and they come because of unbearable situations at home, war, etc. _If_ they come to Germany, we will make sure that they can get access to health care, for the same…

"we will make sure that they can get access to health care, for the same reasons" Who pays for this? And for how many can you pay? Most of these people are uneducated and are from tribal societies with a lower threshold for violence.

"we make sure our fellow unemployed citizens also get access." I know many counter examples to this in Germany.

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by leaveyou » Sat, Sep 05, 2015, 6:19 PM UTC

moe wrote: post #83

[deleted] wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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An ad hominem and a neonazi propaganda video. How surprising, leaveyou. That's really the only positive aspect about your ilk. Your limited means make you relatively easy to mark and insulate. ----- Edit: ------ Since leaveyou deleted his comment, here a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/yIQSdrJ.png I won't repeat the URL to his propaganda video. If someone wants to see that drivel (framing refugees as "tourists") they…

I've just seen another video and I really don't know if it's neonazi or not; maybe you can help me decide: youtube.com/watch?v=QZUuoaq1MLM

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by nonidit » Sat, Sep 05, 2015, 10:08 PM UTC

dogma1138 wrote: post #79

babuskov wrote: post #44

Meanwhile, Hungary has finished building the wall and is now adding more soldiers to EU-Serbia border and blocking the central train station in Budapest to stop people from going further. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/22/migrants-hungar... http://news.sky.com/story/1544753/migrants-spend-night-outsi...

What I'm wondering about is if Germany and other EU countries don't mind taking the migrants with Merkel pledging to absorb as much as 800,000 of them why did Hungary closed it's rail system? Hungary doesn't want them, they use trains to get to Austria and Germany why close their only effective route to transport them to where they would be apparently accepted? As some one who loathes conspiracy theories even I'm sta…

Because it is against European law to forward them. The so called "Dublin regulation" states, that refugees have to seek asylum in the first European state in which they arrive.

Obviously this law largely benefits the midlands and wouldn't work with the current crisis. But nevertheless it is still the official law. So Hungary can only lose in this situation, either by stopping the trains or by breaking the law.

Re: A 22-year-old anti-Nazi song tops German charts again – to welcome refugees

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Post by dogma1138 » Sat, Sep 05, 2015, 10:44 PM UTC

nonidit wrote: post #89

dogma1138 wrote: post #79

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What I'm wondering about is if Germany and other EU countries don't mind taking the migrants with Merkel pledging to absorb as much as 800,000 of them why did Hungary closed it's rail system? Hungary doesn't want them, they use trains to get to Austria and Germany why close their only effective route to transport them to where they would be apparently accepted? As some one who loathes conspiracy theories even I'm sta…

Because it is against European law to forward them. The so called "Dublin regulation" states, that refugees have to seek asylum in the first European state in which they arrive. Obviously this law largely benefits the midlands and wouldn't work with the current crisis. But nevertheless it is still the official law. So Hungary can only lose in this situation, either by stopping the trains or by breaking the law.

Hungary has suspended the application of the Dublin Regulation a month ago, it wasn't a signatory either. But non the less the Dublin regulation stated the the country in which the refugees register is responsible for them, it didn't state that they should be denied freedom of movement and the suspension of the train system by the Hungarian authorities was seen as a breach of the Dublin agreement as well.