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Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by watwut »

robobro wrote: post #316

Hmmm. Here's my 2 cents. Every office has "that person" who causes/gets involved in drama, starts pointless arguments, or refuses to cooperate. Let's assume, just for entertainment' sake, that she got bored of working there, and asked herself, what looks better on my resume? Worked at GitHub, got bored/wanted a higher salary/wanted to do less work, left... or worked at GitHub and got bullied out of the marketplace fo…

"what looks better on my resume? Worked at GitHub, got bored/wanted a higher salary/wanted to do less work, left... or worked at GitHub and got bullied out of the marketplace for being a woman in tech, but is an honest and good person nonetheless?"

Left to pursue new opportunities is better for her. Generally speaking, employers are less likely to hire someone who got into public fights, whether by his own fault or not. And they especially do not want to hire people who talk bad about previous workplaces. They do not want to risk it will happen again.

Leaving company for usual unspecified reasons is normal, everybody do that regularly.

If she is "tired of working there and this is her way of finding new work', then she would be exceptionally dumb.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by bsder »

theorique wrote: post #536
Dylan16807 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it's not really his responsibility. It's the wife's, then HR's, then the police's job. And in most matters that don't involve anyone actually dying I think 'dropped the ball' is perfectly acceptable.

Within the context of the company, it's his responsibility as an founder and an executive. His wife (AFAIK) has no formal title or role at the company - all her power and influence is derived from his status as a founder/executive. Yes, as a person with free will, his wife is ultimately responsible and "shouldn't" have done what she is alleged to have done. But in the context of corporate governance and law, he is re…

Do you know this? Does she hold no stock? Do none of the finances have her signature?

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by lotsofmangos »

einhverfr wrote: post #504
psykotic wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean, someone reverting your code because of a personal vendetta? I laughed out loud when I read this and several other specific details in the story. It sounded very familiar. I have several friends and many acquaintances who work at Valve. One very senior engineer initially worked on Source 2 about three years ago but had to quickly switch projects because another, more tenured engineer was expressing his disag…

> The founder's wife story also reminds me of episodes I've heard involving the wife cabal. It's nothing as sinister as the GitHub story, but I see a lot of the same structural issues reflected in these telling anecdotes. If you are male and a founder, one of your most valuable business resources is your wife. People will call me sexist for saying this, I expect, but women think socially with a level of complexity th…

If you are male and a founder, one of your most valuable business resources is your wife.

If you are a male founder, you might not be married and you might not be straight. Also, one way to kill romance is to tell your significant other that they are your most valuable business resource.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by Nelson69 »

This sounds terrible, I'm sorry what happened and I'm sorry it's all out in the open like that. While github may have some bad actors, I'm sure there are some decent hard working folks there and in the leadership team there as well.

At risk of sounding like an a-hole, what has she done and why does she have a gigantic twitter following? Just out of curiosity. As with Adria Richards I can't help but think the social media power of the victim and then the public nature of the story has a radical impact. One or both parties is likely to receive some hate from the wild internet and that just doesn't seem useful or good at all.

Not to condone or downplay or silence a victim, she could have just as well hired a lawyer, spoke with HR and followed the same channels that are followed at the IBM's and MS's and other big companies, all of which have had far more torrid things happening. If there is anything I can take away, it is that I'd be very careful with the kinds of social media I allow at my company.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by cwaniak »

--- ATTENTION: THERE IS NO SEXISM AT GITHUB!!! ---

Proof #1: Do I read it correctly that a woman got into fights with another woman -- and that is termed as "sexism" now? Give me a break…

Proof @2: how came "sexist" is an organization that is under influence and control of the boss wife? Who doesn't even officially work there!!! Like, really? This is sexism now??? WOW!!! So, again: give me a break with this nonsense!!!

Some old good venting: And finally, is this a forum for morons now who can't see through once they see a PC piece in the news? Because it seems to me so. HN is full of intelligent people but once PC piece is involved they all act like a band of brainless morons mumbling all marxist buzz-words from "equality" to "social justice". Give me a break again. And go back to coding.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by phazmatis »

einhverfr wrote: post #504
psykotic wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean, someone reverting your code because of a personal vendetta? I laughed out loud when I read this and several other specific details in the story. It sounded very familiar. I have several friends and many acquaintances who work at Valve. One very senior engineer initially worked on Source 2 about three years ago but had to quickly switch projects because another, more tenured engineer was expressing his disag…

> The founder's wife story also reminds me of episodes I've heard involving the wife cabal. It's nothing as sinister as the GitHub story, but I see a lot of the same structural issues reflected in these telling anecdotes. If you are male and a founder, one of your most valuable business resources is your wife. People will call me sexist for saying this, I expect, but women think socially with a level of complexity th…

Someone was asleep on HR ethics training day.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #619
stefantalpalaru wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it seems that through her marriage she may essentially have a founder's level of equity in the company What about the founder's mom? Or the founder's father? Or the founder's children? Or the founder's dear grandma? There's a reason why equity and investor/adviser roles should be clear and formalized. Bringing cookies at your spouse's work place doesn't entitle you to anything more than polite greetings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_property

I don't think that property acquired during the marriage extends to jobs.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by Bahamut »

rrouse wrote: post #765
Bahamut wrote: post #735

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow...I hope that toxic github employee was fired for that.

I believe it was just a user of Github and not an employee that did that nonsense.

This quote suggests more than one GitHub employee was in on it at the least:

'They purposefully allow this glaringly obvious mechanism for insulting and annoying their members and are actually involved in the joke. Until I broke their server they were all laughing at my "testing", then they were pissed when they had to fix the bug I found. If you don't believe me, look at the HackerNewsTips twitter account, which I know is astroturfed by a github employee.'

In one of the first few paragraphs, there's this block:

"The other piece of information you need to understand is that there's a sort of running hidden gag among the Ruby Iluminati (aka Rubynati) within San Francisco. Employees from Engine Yard, PowerSet, and ... github love this joke where they create code that generates ASCII art penis pictures and then force other people onto their project without permission. Here's another one called dicks by Martin Emde."

It's a shame that companies doing some useful things have to encourage a culture of brutish behavior.

Re: Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism and Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit

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Post by phazmatis »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #149
jsmthrowaway wrote: post #132

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> keeping his wife in line. I have never cringed so hard in my life.

Please, just delete this comment. Yeah oh my god that sentence could be interpreted wrong. We don't need a tangent about it. The real meaning has absolutely nothing to do with subordination. It's a simple matter of keeping your friends/relatives/partners out of your job. They don't work there, they shouldn't be interfering. Also, shame on anyone that upvotes such a derail just because they agree with the words.

What do we have, if not words, to convey complex meanings? We can't all be telepaths like you.

His wife doesn't need to be kept in line... his wife needs to be kept out of company business unless she's an employee.

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