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Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by herodoturtle »

w10-1 wrote: post #90

His letter (at the top of Apple's web site) is moving: https://www.apple.com/community-letter-from-tim/ I understand Tim is a logistics genius and Ternus is a hardware genius, and that we all want better software and policy from Apple, but I'm glad that there seems to be good people at the head of one of the biggest and most consequential companies, and further that they seem to care about being good people. As far a…

> His letter (at the top of Apple's web site) is moving

As an aside, I absolutely love the minimal elegance of that web page.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by card_zero »

zapzupnz wrote: post #784
tcfhgj wrote: post #729

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of love for a company which doesn't even let you chose the apps you want to use.

A wonderfully out-of-date sentiment.

What do you mean? Something like "freedom is so last year, it's all about obedience now"?

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by sneak »

danielrhodes wrote: post #79

I think Tim Cook took Steve Job's vision and really took it to the moon. If you think about the last 15 years, Apple has really become the biggest possible version of itself without losing its values. Tech in general has changed quite a bit though. I don't know how Steve Jobs would have reacted to AI, and I don't know where tech itself would be if Jobs were still around. But I do think the next evolution is due and y…

> Apple has really become the biggest possible version of itself without losing its values.

I could not disagree more. Apple has become increasingly just another tech company shipping products that are great but not insanely so.

The level of insanely great coming out of Apple has been in steady and constant decline since Jobs’ death.

The “I wish Steve were still around so he could have vetoed this” that I get have been steadily increasing on a y/y basis for the last 5-10 years.

I’m not talking about big obvious macro stuff like the Airpods Max being super mid or how much my face hurts after wearing the ridiculously heavy Vision Pro for a while, but the constant subscription nags for $5 after buying a $1500 phone and a million other little paper cuts, culminating lately in the polished turd of an OS that is 26.x. Apple is the most un-Apple it has ever been in its history. Their contempt for their users is now palpable.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by msh »

DeathArrow wrote: post #751
keepamovin wrote: post #649

This is one of the more broadly normal HN-reaction threads to large public news event I've seen in a while. A lot of love for Apple, respect for the decision, and respectfully stated nuance. Surprising and good. I still haven't scroll down to the bottom, I don't want to spoil my impression. But it's great to see a positive reaction. Good way to mark the moment. Tim has been CEO for 15 years roughly, since Steve's pas…

> A lot of love for Apple That makes me wonder why people love Apple but hate all other big companies.

For a long time apple did a lot better for both "hackers" and normal customers compared to the other big operating system company.

They also made a good unix based OS that was easy to purchase on decent hardware (esp laptops).

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by spacedcowboy »

simplyluke wrote: post #237
danielrhodes wrote: post #79

I think Tim Cook took Steve Job's vision and really took it to the moon. If you think about the last 15 years, Apple has really become the biggest possible version of itself without losing its values. Tech in general has changed quite a bit though. I don't know how Steve Jobs would have reacted to AI, and I don't know where tech itself would be if Jobs were still around. But I do think the next evolution is due and y…

I'd also add that from the perspective of an employee in the industry, Tim Cook has had a remarkably steady hand throughout multiple business cycles in the industry that have made Apple a much better place to work than many of the other very large tech companies: no massive over-hiring after covid, no massive layoffs to correct for that, average tenure at the company BLOWS other companies out of the water, a reputati…

yep, I worked there for 20+ years, only retired due to health. I was about middle of the park in my group’s tenure there…

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by Aachen »

danielrhodes wrote: post #79

I think Tim Cook took Steve Job's vision and really took it to the moon. If you think about the last 15 years, Apple has really become the biggest possible version of itself without losing its values. Tech in general has changed quite a bit though. I don't know how Steve Jobs would have reacted to AI, and I don't know where tech itself would be if Jobs were still around. But I do think the next evolution is due and y…

> Apple has really become the biggest possible version of itself without losing its values.

Such as Think Different, where you don't need to comply with the standard ways of doing things?

From a Steve Jobs interview in relation to this statement:

> When you grow up you tend to get told the world is the way it is and your job is just to live your life inside the world. Try not to bash into the walls too much. Try to have a nice family life, have fun, save a little money.

> That's a very limited life. Life can be much broader once you discover one simple fact, and that is - everything around you that you call life, was made up by people that were no smarter than you. And you can change it, you can influence it, you can build your own things that other people can use.

(Via Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_different)

I couldn't think of a company to whose hardware "your job is just to live your life inside [someone else's] world" applies more, though maybe that's because Oracle doesn't make consumer hardware products

Edit: I should probably add that this isn't meant as a purely negative statement: many people want to hand over digital control and have someone else be bothered with keeping the hardware running and curating what software they're allowed to run. It's not me, and it's not what Steve Jobs said Apple was about, but it's not that I don't understand why someone's grandma would choose it

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by sillyfluke »

planb wrote: post #738
DarkNova6 wrote: post #715

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is one of the more broadly normal HN-reaction threads to large public news event I've seen in a while. A lot of love for Apple, respect for the decision, and respectfully stated nuance. Surprising and good. In other words, nothing insightful or worth talking about. I don't want to read news for feelgood vibes.

But there is interesting information in lots of the comments. Like the quote from Ternus about Apple Maps in one of the comments. This gives relevant insight of how he thinks and how he might handle problems when he takes over.

If it's interesting to note that there are mostly nuanced takes and positive vibes in the thread, and an otherwise low-value meta comment is deemed to be a worthy top comment for saying so, then I suggest an auto-generated AI summarization comment pinned to every long HN thread. This will surely save everyone the trouble of doing so...

(I am not claiming the top comment is AI generated, only that an AI generated summarization of the thread can function just as well in its stead, despite the occasional inaccuracies)

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by layer8 »

keepamovin wrote: post #649

This is one of the more broadly normal HN-reaction threads to large public news event I've seen in a while. A lot of love for Apple, respect for the decision, and respectfully stated nuance. Surprising and good. I still haven't scroll down to the bottom, I don't want to spoil my impression. But it's great to see a positive reaction. Good way to mark the moment. Tim has been CEO for 15 years roughly, since Steve's pas…

> This guy seems much younger than Tim was when he ascended.

Ternus just looks a bit younger. He’ll be 51, and half a year older than Cook was when he became CEO in 2011.

Re: John Ternus to become Apple CEO

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Post by Quothling »

torginus wrote: post #681
oofbaroomf wrote: post #6

Wow. Hopefully, Ternus will bring what he brought to Apple's hardware to their software. The hardware is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else, but their software gets worse and worse every generation. I'm glad to hear this.

When I bought a Macbook M1 years ago, then was forced to switch back to a PC and wanted to have something similar in quality - I realized there's NOTHING that compares at ANY price point, let alone $1000.

I've got the smallest version of the m1 macbook air when they came out. It's still my daily driver when I'm not on my corporate T14 gen 6 I7 with 32gb of ram, and while it no longer outperforms my corporate computer it keeps up well enough while being cold to the touch and noiseless. It's also significantly lighter and has better battery life despite being old, though corporate does kill a lot of that on the pc.

Not being able to feel that it's turned on is basically the primary feature of a laptop for me. I've wanted to switch my personal device to linux for a while, but there just... isn't... one. I know I could run linux on the macbook, but the point here is that there is nothing which compares, not even at higher prices.

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