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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by MisterTea »

fragmede wrote: post #739
MisterTea wrote: post #738

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All the second amendment fans I have met voted for the current regime. The vibes I get from many of them is they would absolutely love to cosplay military or police officers. The current regime loves painting their opponents as their enemy. I can easily imagine a future where gun toting regime supporters can be deputized to fight the "enemy within." They'll line up with enthusiasm to appease their ruler.

So go meet more of them? Support for the second amendment definitely has fans of that nature, but not all of them.

Thing is I have friends who were not aligned and owned guns but they all flipped last election and are now aligned or indifferent.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by coryrc »

E-Reverance wrote: post #758
coryrc wrote: post #596

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Unfortunately that history includes nearly perfecting the use of torture thousands of years ago. https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/torture-achaemenid-pe...

This says very little about the quality of the culture averaged over those thousands of years Quit cherrypicking for the sake of being an edgelord

You don't think history has an effect on the present?

I didn't even bring up SAVAK or Basij.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by kelipso »

busterarm wrote: post #787
kelipso wrote: post #780

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11340543 I haven't met him personally, but years of trading ideas with him in threads and I can tell you this is true. rayiner is among the best of us.

Poor guy seems to be going through some self hating racism crisis after reading too many twitter posts. He’s probably a nice guy and all but this online thing can get way too much.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by cess11 »

tgma wrote: post #754
cess11 wrote: post #688

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Fine, show some quotes from "Mullahs" where they acknowledge this supposed appeasement.

I don't think them acknowledging anything in public is either necessary or relevant to the discussion. None of this is germane to the original question posed and I have no intention to change the narrative in your head so I'm out of here.

What "narrative"? You made a claim about "desperate appeasement", and if that was true, I imagine that iranian politicians and twelver clergy would brag about it incessantly.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by ch4s3 »

flyinglizard wrote: post #761
FilosofumRex wrote: post #706

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The Israeli military and security forces budget is more than $55bn a year, and you are saying the US pays all of it. It’s the first time I’ve ever encountered such an outlandish claim.

To anyone downvoting my sibling comment, go look at the post history [1] this guy indulges in loads of crazy conspiracies and ties them all back to Mossad. It’s pretty clear what the underlying motivation is.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=FilosofumRex

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by Kennel5527 »

mrtksn wrote: post #767
Kennel5527 wrote: post #721

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Unsure of your background here. Though the way you refer to the Iranian diaspora hints at gaps I would fill before contributing further to a discussion pointing back the finger at those who are victims in this case, most of the time still with people back in Iran, and who risk even just going to a protest as they could easily be profiled and effectively ban themselves from ever returning back home, if not altogether…

Iranians are indeed incredibly brave, I have nothing but respect to the Iranians fighting the oppressive Islamic regime. Turks for example don’t have the guts to go against their oppressors, the most the Turks do is to wave their cell phone with the lights on rhythmically alongside with a song(which does nothing to stop the issue they are against). That said, I find it very distrustful to smear people who were active…

Not sure smearing is the right word after the sentence you just wrote before about Turks ?!

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by jacquesm »

busterarm wrote: post #787
kelipso wrote: post #780

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11340543 I haven't met him personally, but years of trading ideas with him in threads and I can tell you this is true. rayiner is among the best of us.

I have, or rather, had, a friend that lost it. He was the nicest guy. Then 9/11 happened and both him and his wife got into this 'it's all special effects' (they worked in special effects) thing and there wasn't anything you could do about it. Intelligent, creative, very skilled. But on that subject they were completely dug in and any evidence to the contrary was dismissed. Their parting words were that I must be 'one of them' and we are no longer friends.

There are a couple of subjects that seem to do this to people, immigration is one of them, 9/11 is another. Then there are holocaust deniers and people who seem to - without any kind of prompting - find it in them to be defending the actions of the various strong-arm government components in the United States.

I have no idea if there is something in the water or not but it is very scary to see otherwise intelligent people completely lose it over such objectively simple things. Once dug in the only solution seems to be to dig further and to cut off all input to that might lead to introspection.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by int_19h »

rayiner wrote: post #768
int_19h wrote: post #763

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Most immigration in 00-10s was economical, and yes, for that group of people it's often the case that they are very much still enmeshed in Russian imperial agitprop. It's common enough that there are memes about this: https://lurkmore.media/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%91%... However there was a smallish wave of political immigration after the 2011 protests and 2014 conflict with Ukraine, and a much larger one s…

I really do not understand immigrants who still love their home country. I’m going to die 12 thousand miles away from where my ancestors are buried going back tens of thousands of years. After spending most of my life with ashy dry skin because I’m somewhere I’m not designed to be. All because my ancestors fucked everything up! Fuck those people.

You are looking at this from the perspective of someone to whom "my ancestors fucked everything up" is obvious and self-evident. Many people don't see it this way.

FWIW when it comes to Russia specifically, I would broadly agree that the problem there is not just the government but the culture as a whole (although we'd probably disagree about the specific things in that culture that are problematic). It is not obvious, though, and I think it always behooves one to be careful when making sweeping generalizations like that and carefully rationalize them.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by wolvoleo »

sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

> It’s is a big tragedy and people are reluctant to talk about it because those who are committing this massacre are MUSLIMS and support PALESTINE so this is a moral dilemma for the left lovers! because they see Mullah’s regime as one of their biggest allies when it comes to attack West/Israel/Free market

Sorry this is BS. I'm very left wing but nobody I know on the left has any time for murderers.

The left is very principled. We don't have this loyalty thing that the right has. Loyalty to the party line no matter how insane. We don't have leaders that tell us what to think.

Yes I think Israel is very bad for what they're still doing in Gaza. Yes I think the Palestinian people deserve their own country. And really theirs, not that stupid resort Trump wants to make of it (where there seems to be no place for Palestinians except maybe as humble servants for the rich tourists)

But NO, I have no time for the mullahs and their security services and not for hamas either for that matter. Nor for the Taliban. They are monsters too. They are not our allies in any way and I'm hoping that Iran will become free. I even have nothing against Israelis, just their government/army

We measure people by our principles. Not by whatever side of some narratives they happen to be on. And there is no 'side' anyway. On the left we're more like an unorganized collection of people whose opinions happen to align.

I don't even support the party I vote for on every topic. I don't have loyalty, if I'm aligned with a group or party it's never unconditional. It's more that my own values currently align with theirs.

The problem with Iran is, protesting here on the streets is a bit pointless. With the gaza situation it puts pressure on our governments to sanction Israel. Like stopping doing business with them.

Protesting against the Iranian massacre won't do anything. Our governments already do no business there. The only thing it might accomplish is pissing the Iranian regime off but they won't give a crap what we think. There have been protests but yeah what can we do really?

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