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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

scuff3d wrote: post #787
lowbloodsugar wrote: post #732

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This just in: Software engineer with motivation and skills to develop a new language, strangely lacking in PR and marketing skills. More at 11.

Surprising or not, doesn't change what I said. And I this case it is a little surprising. Andrew is generally a pretty nice dude, has gone out of his way to try and make a fairly welcoming community. The Zig foundation also has Loris, who normally handles PR stuff, so he could have written this instead of Andrew. Finally, that's such a bullshit stereotype. Plenty of people in the software world are perfectly friendly…

Gatekeeping basically. Neurotypical only please! Could Andrew have yielded his voice to someone who is good at PR? Sure. And that’s how people give up and burnout.

I’m ok if sometimes a nerd displays some emotion online.

I’m corporate, so I have to manage my shit. I use LLMs to manage that. I’m glad Andrew has a space where he doesn’t have to.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by hobofan »

lII1lIlI11ll wrote: post #517
SoKamil wrote: post #9

> As a bonus, we look forward to fewer violations (exhibit A, B, C) of our strict no LLM / no AI policy, which I believe are at least in part due to GitHub aggressively pushing the “file an issue with Copilot” feature in everyone’s face. Also, the big part of that issue is people are incentivized to make their GitHub profile look good to have a higher chance of getting hired. Any non-mainstream platform is not as com…

> Also, the big part of that issue is people are incentivized to make their GitHub profile look good to have a higher chance of getting hired. Do people really get hired for bunch of PRs to random repos on GH or just think they will? My impression has always been that GH profile is completely ignored by both recruiters and interviewers.

I've seen quite a few HR hiring processes where a mediocre HR person (knows to look for GH profile + activity on that, but not how to evaluate them) is paired with engineers with too little input power. In those processes, people that game their GH profiles tend to benefit.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by mlugg »

newcodebergfan wrote: post #655
mlugg wrote: post #69

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This was the very first thing I noticed when we (the Zig team) started seriously trialing Codeberg. Honestly, the transition was worth it just for the ability to navigate the website without a 3-5 second wait every time I click a link.

Codeberg performance is not good today - 12 seconds per click before any update. Not sure if they're able to scale.

I think this thread caused a bit of a hug of death; I too was seeing pretty bad page loads earlier today, but that seems to have sorted itself out. Understandable imo, because Codeberg simply haven't had to deal with this level of traffic so far. I'm optimistic that they'll be able to scale as (thanks to projects like Zig making the switch) their needs grow.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by holysoles »

tcfhgj wrote: post #429
holysoles wrote: post #74

I haven't really taken a step back to critically think about using GitHub as a platform until now, but I do agree with the points in this article. While I like the idea of a more distributed repository environment, I will miss the project discoverability, social aspects, and centralization that GitHub offers. It'll probably be awhile before I make a switch, but I will eventually.

Fwiw they're implementing federation, so bring it back some aspects of centralization without centralization

Good to know! Thanks

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by brabel »

latexr wrote: post #690
brabel wrote: post #567

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But it is very common. I was watching a YouTube video by Casey Muratori where he says anyone using a garbage collected language is stupid and just not a good programmer! Just like that he offended 95% of our industry. He even said people who use smart pointers are just beginners and haven’t learned the true ways yet, offending the remaining 5%. And this sort of comment and people supporting those opinions are extreme…

> But it is very common. It’s important to keep in mind that “common” doesn’t mean “right” or “positive”. Lots of things, such as CFCs in aerosol spray cans and radioactive elements in household items used to be common. I’m not saying that’s what your argument is—on the contrary, I get the feeling you’re making a statement and not justifying it—but still think it’s an important point to not forget. > I was watching a…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt1KNDmOYqA

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by hobofan »

jswny wrote: post #776
alexrp wrote: post #692

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> So much vague outrage over nothing. So you just chose to ignore the technical problems we have with GitHub Actions and then say there are no problems. That's certainly a take. > That CI system created by so called monkeys is the one of the best free CI service in the world. We self-host all our CI machines so the "free" hosted runners have no relevance here. > Not everyone has the millions of dollars like Zig Found…

Can’t any donation platform you don’t fully control cut you off at any point? What exactly is different about GitHub sponsors here?

In theory sure, but you have to evaluate how likely it is.

Some typical dynamics:

Big org platform -> exposed to risk, as you are not a significant addition to their bottom line

Small donation platform -> Can be easily bullied by payment processors to "derisk"

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every.org is a bit special, as it only lists 501c nonprofits - which the Zig Foundation is - and AFAIK has a decent track record. Most other open source projects don't clear that bar.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by wilg »

input_sh wrote: post #547
wilg wrote: post #415

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Enlighten me, they specifically mention ICE as a reason they wanted to switch from GitHub?

They mention it in passing before continuing with technical issues. They don't state it as the only reason as you imply, but as something that contributed to their decision.

I am well aware it was not the only reason, but that does not improve the reasoning.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by bfkwlfkjf »

skylurk wrote: post #717

> Thank you to the Forgejo contributors who helped us with our issues switching to the platform, as well as the Codeberg folks who worked with us on the migration - in particular Earl Warren, Otto, Gusted, and Mathieu Fenniak. To me this said more than anything else in the post. The fact that there are genuine people at forgejo/codeburg that give a thought about what they are working on is pure gold.

In my experience a lot of Free software communities are like this.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by hobofan »

shevy-java wrote: post #48
bigyabai wrote: post #24

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The absolute state of Github is that I use it dozens of times a day and it works flawlessly, for free, with intermittent outages. Microsoft is doing more with Github than I can say for most of their products. I won't go to bat for the Xbox or Windows teams, but Github is... fine. Almost offensively usable.

So you are ok with 2FA, right? If you contribute code there. Now - what if you are not ok with it? What can you do? > Almost offensively usable I think you conflate two points here. One is how useable github is. The other is: control. At which point are you no longer ok with what a private company does? This is not solely about Microsoft alone by the way.

> So you are ok with 2FA, right?

Yes. Are you not? It's one of the most effective measures to prevent a whole class of supply chain attacks. On Github the 2FA is also flexible enough to allow non-hardware passkeys, so you can choose a privacy preserving option with good UX.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by raincole »

LinXitoW wrote: post #516
raincole wrote: post #418

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> it's painfully apparent how many think that being polite in your communication is more important than actually doing something So you want people to talk about actions, not manners. Great. > And don't even get me started with the people who come in here just to point out that Codeberg isn't perfect either. Except actions they did with Codeberg...? Sharing their experience about Codeberg isn't off-topic in a thread…

The fetish for "manners" has stood in the way of every single positive societal change. It's exactly what MLK meant with the white moderate favoring a negative peace over positive change: the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which i…

A not-so-well designed CI is comparable to KKK. This is how discussions on the internet look today.
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