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Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

ImHereToVote wrote: post #407
Waterluvian wrote: post #151

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Yeah this is pretty embarrassing. I get frustrated with tech all the time! I get it. Grr when Actions feels so irritatingly misbehaved… But how you handle or fail to handle your frustration demonstrates the competence of your character and speaks volumes of what you’d be like to work with.

You would be happier working in a kindergarten. I truly mean that. Think about it. Not trying to be rude.

If you call people at work monkeys when you don't like their work, you're closer to Kindergarten than you think.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by 2pEXgD0fZ5cF »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #209
ssivark wrote: post #154

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> created by monkeys I don't particularly care for either Zig or Github, but... they do precisely cite the technical issues. That snippet links to a Github discussion comment https://github.com/actions/runner/issues/3792#issuecomment-3... (reproduced below) "The bug in this "safe sleep" script is obvious from looking at it: if the process is not scheduled for the one-second interval in which the loop would return (du…

Then blast the product, not the people who built it.

The product isn't some result of a series of "oopsies". The worst aspects of bad and/or user-hostile software products are that way because the people working at these companies want them to be that way.

Unless you want to call them just that incompetent. I assume they'd complain about that label too.

In short: No it's not "the product", the people building it are the problem. Somehow everyone working in big tech wants all the praise all the time, individually, but never take even the slightest bit of responsibility fro the constant enshittification they drive forward..

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by gaanbal »

testdelacc1 wrote: post #500
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #478

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> A complete lack of empathy... ...for one of the largest of most toxic IT companies in the history if IT? Spare me, please. Microsoft is the last legal entity in the universe you should feel empathy for.

He’s talking about people who wrote the code. Those are actual people. You’ve abstracted them away as “Microsoft” and decided they don’t deserve any empathy.

a lot of "actual people" are also suffering from dunning kruger and just love to build stupid shit that nobody wants in horrific ways.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by m4rtink »

adrianN wrote: post #189
shridharxp wrote: post #185

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It's okay to bring some "natural" language in technical communication. It feels more humane. All the whitewashed corporate language, riddled marketing bullshit feels so soul dead.

You can express dissatisfaction and anger „naturally“ without calling people losers and monkeys.

Yeah, its rude to actual monkeys - they did nothing wrong!

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by latexr »

throwaway150 wrote: post #243
adrianN wrote: post #189

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You can express dissatisfaction and anger „naturally“ without calling people losers and monkeys.

> You can express dissatisfaction and anger „naturally“ without calling people losers and monkeys. I can't speak for others. But if I am screwing up as badly as GitHub is, I'd rather someone calls me a loser and monkey for it. It's like someone splashing ice cold water on my face and showing me the reality. It's going to be very uncomfortable, yes. But I'll learn from it and try not to screw up so badly again. I find…

That’s a theoretically admirable attitude if true (I don’t doubt you believe it, and maybe even do it successfully, but often how we react differs from how we think or say we’d react) but definitely not universal. A more common and probable outcome is people clamming up and becoming defensive, actively rejecting the criticism because of how it was delivered.

Though best case scenario, the people working on these features agree and can point their managers to the post as an example of growing discontent. I doubt it’ll have an effect, though. GitHub is now under the AI division at Microsoft.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by LinXitoW »

raincole wrote: post #418
ttiurani wrote: post #352

Looking at these comments, it's painfully apparent how many think that being polite in your communication is more important than actually doing something. I agree it would have been nicer if the message was more polite. But if you compare that to having the backbone follow through with meaningful long-term changes against a corporation you don't trust or respect, there shouldn't even be a discussion. And don't even g…

> it's painfully apparent how many think that being polite in your communication is more important than actually doing something So you want people to talk about actions, not manners. Great. > And don't even get me started with the people who come in here just to point out that Codeberg isn't perfect either. Except actions they did with Codeberg...? Sharing their experience about Codeberg isn't off-topic in a thread…

The fetish for "manners" has stood in the way of every single positive societal change. It's exactly what MLK meant with the white moderate favoring a negative peace over positive change:

the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

SoKamil wrote: post #9

> As a bonus, we look forward to fewer violations (exhibit A, B, C) of our strict no LLM / no AI policy, which I believe are at least in part due to GitHub aggressively pushing the “file an issue with Copilot” feature in everyone’s face. Also, the big part of that issue is people are incentivized to make their GitHub profile look good to have a higher chance of getting hired. Any non-mainstream platform is not as com…

> Also, the big part of that issue is people are incentivized to make their GitHub profile look good to have a higher chance of getting hired.

Do people really get hired for bunch of PRs to random repos on GH or just think they will? My impression has always been that GH profile is completely ignored by both recruiters and interviewers.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by otikik »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #505
quantummagic wrote: post #176

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Codes of conduct are perfunctory virtue signalling. Do we really need a unique set of "rules" posted on every project? They all sound like they were written by the same AI bot. That said, it's telling that the Zig leader can't even follow them. The rules should just be taken down.

Not even virtue, codes of conduct just signals leftist control over an organisation.

US leftists, or non-US leftists?

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by otikik »

throwaway150 wrote: post #361
ericpruitt wrote: post #166

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Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct > Examples of behavior that contribute to creating a positive environment include: > - Using welcoming and inclusive language. > - Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences. > - Showing empathy towards others. > - Showing appreciation for others’ work.

> Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct Not sure it does. Right there in the same link you posted: This document contains the rules that govern these spaces only: The ziglang organization on Codeberg #zig IRC channel on Libera.chat Zig project development Zulip chat

It may not violate the letter of the document, but it does seem to violate its spirit to me.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by _jplc »

johnfn wrote: post #95

> it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress. > More importantly, Actions is created by monkeys This writing really does not reflect well on Zig. If you have technical issues with Github, fine: cite them. But leave ad ho…

But he is right
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