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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by watwut »

rawgabbit wrote: post #787
trealira wrote: post #695

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Trump won because those in control of the Democratic Party underestimated the anger and economic desperation of the working class. They can’t afford rent or groceries. Medical and dental care are a distant dream. If the Democrats only messaging is DEI, inclusivity and girl/woman power… they view the Democrats as out of touch. It is the equivalent of Let Them Eat Cake or brioche. And I do believe in DEI, inclusivity a…

Trump won, because he and project 2025 represent what conservative Christians want and because republican party want it. And people forever blaming anyone else are just enablers. This has nothing to do with what democrats do or signal. That is utterly irrelevant.

Republicans are the ones bringing up gender, trans issues etc into discussion again and again. Not democrats.

> They can’t afford rent or groceries. Medical and dental care are a distant dream.

No, because vote for Trump and republicans is vote for higher prices, more expensive healthcare and tax cuts for rich. Every single time. This is not about how economy is doing in reality. It is not about what democrats signal. Republicans will lie, fox news will like and media will both side it.

> And I do believe in DEI, inclusivity and women’s rights. But if the working class are struggling, it is tragically comic not to address their primary concerns first.

Women are working class and struggling. And working class economical concerns are not addressed by republicans at all ... and democrats were not running on dei.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by southernplaces7 »

henrikschroder wrote: post #356
intermerda wrote: post #129

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I used to think that the Republican officials just put on a mask and perform kabuki for their Dear Leader. But the signalgate texts proved otherwise. This kind of thinking has penetrated deep into the party. It's not going away. Not with Vance.

If you've ever waded into ragebaity online discussions, for example Europeans taunting Americans about the lack of public healthcare or basic worker rights, there will always be a loud contingent of Americans spouting counter-arguments based in American Exceptionalism, claiming that everyone else somehow, magically, has the US to thank for its standard of living. It was always easy to dismiss those as uninformed moro…

>there will always be a loud contingent of Americans spouting counter-arguments based in American Exceptionalism, claiming that everyone else somehow, magically, has the US to thank for its standard of living.

The entire second part of your comment shores up exactly this notion that everyone else has the US to thank for its standard of living and that the country is exceptional.

Underlying all the things you list: the post-WWII order, the Pax Americana, the military hegemony, the position of the dollar as the World's reserve currency and so forth all underscore exactly the fact that the US is or at least has been exceptional and that the rest of the world has been heavily benefited by it.

That some of these people then took this and spun it into idiocy about cutting off "freeloaders" without being aware that this means having to take a hit to the country's exceptional position doesn't change the truth of the U.S being exceptional and many countries having many indirect benefits to thank it for

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Post by moralestapia »

anigbrowl wrote: post #596
fnordpiglet wrote: post #283

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Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps ego. This is going to burn the children of the most powerful families across the world. Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard. Destroying their children’s education out of a fit of malice is going to hau…

children of the most powerful families across the world I doubt that most of those people are reliant on student visas.

You cannot jump over immigration requirements "just because you're powerful", and the vast majority of them are not US citizens.

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Post by southernplaces7 »

tormeh wrote: post #216
orochimaaru wrote: post #164

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Exactly what “consequence” are you talking about? Voting by design is protected from retribution.

It's more of an ethical question. Were the people who voted for Hitler bad people because they voted for a bad person? I'd argue that they were. You can't just vote for a horrible person and then say you had nothing to do with the consequences. I'm not the one you replied to, but I assume this is something family related, a la "just because grandpa voted for Trump doesn't mean he's a bad person".

People voting for Hitler wasn't a problem either way.. Enough of them never voted for him under the German electoral system of the time that he never won enough of a majority to become president of his country.

Instead he then used backroom deals with useful idiots and cynics who thought they could use him in favor of their careers, to get himself appointed to a position (chancellor) from which he could become dictator.

The more valid criticism based on the above comparison isn't quite so much against American voters as it is against the cynics, spineless opponents and useful idiots inside the federal political system, who have the power to curtail what Trump is attempting as president, but don't for different reasons of their own.

I particularly note the other republicans in his party here, who could actually stop Trump's more deranged nonsense but are letting centuries of restrained, relatively democratic and lawful political tradition go to shit for the sake of their own short-sighted ambitious idiocies.

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Post by moralestapia »

kristopolous wrote: post #516
kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

Ah yes, this is how we will be competitive - defunding universities, deporting the best and brightest, dismantling education, and cutting off trade. I mean seriously, if a malicious saboteur was running things, what would the differences be?

Harvard does not have "the best and brightest" students and that's a meme that needs to die as is discriminatory to literally all the other students in the US and the planet.

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Post by mandmandam »

moralestapia wrote: post #793
anigbrowl wrote: post #596

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children of the most powerful families across the world I doubt that most of those people are reliant on student visas.

You cannot jump over immigration requirements "just because you're powerful", and the vast majority of them are not US citizens.

> You cannot jump over immigration requirements

You probably will be able to soon though, and it 'only' costs $5m: "A ‘Trump Card Visa’ Is Already Showing Up in Immigration Forms" [0]

I couldn't blame you for not having seen this though. It was quickly flagged and never whitelisted; like so, so many other important stories here this past few months. Check my favorites for more falsely flagged stories.

0 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43921421

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Post by mandmandam »

rawgabbit wrote: post #787
trealira wrote: post #695

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Trump won because those in control of the Democratic Party underestimated the anger and economic desperation of the working class. They can’t afford rent or groceries. Medical and dental care are a distant dream. If the Democrats only messaging is DEI, inclusivity and girl/woman power… they view the Democrats as out of touch. It is the equivalent of Let Them Eat Cake or brioche. And I do believe in DEI, inclusivity a…

> those in control of the Democratic Party underestimated the anger and economic desperation of the working class.

They don't care. Why would they?

The worse Republicans act, the more Democrat leaders are happy to present themselves as the only 'sane' alternative.

That 'sanity' now includes arming genocide, campaigning with Dick Cheney, removing being 'anti-torture' from their platforms, etc. Very little media holds them to account on any of this.

The people who fund (read: own) the Democrats and the media are a higher priority to politicians than their actual voter base. That has been made abundantly clear to anyone paying attention: just look at Gaza, healthcare, environmental protection, fracking, or any number of issues where the majority of Americans want progress while Again, Gaza made this wildly clear: Even though 77% of Dem voters wanted an arms embargo, and >30% of 2020 Biden voters in swing states were loudly saying that arming genocide was probably a red line as far as getting their vote, Harris decided that bombing children was more important than winning the election. And the rest of the party leadership supported this, again, against the will of the vast majority of their voters.

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tomhow wrote: post #641
cadamsdotcom wrote: post #597

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@neliv I’d like to encourage you to do a few searches and maybe ask an LLM for that ELI5 - and include what you learned!

I think it's fine to ask these kinds of questions, in the hope that the HN audience may include individuals with particular insights. A response like this has the same ring to it as posting a link to LMGTFY, which is disallowed here.

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Post by leosanchez »

tstrimple wrote: post #699
arunabha wrote: post #680

The truly depressing thing is, a lot of people are actually happy about this action. How did things get so bad, so quickly? People who lived under authoritarian regimes have long said that things move slowly at first, but after an inflection point, get real bad, real fast. It's one thing to understand that intellectually, quite another to witness it first hand. Hopefully, the judiciary will block this particular madn…

> How did things get so bad, so quickly? It didn't. Conservatives in this country have explicitly been headed this direction since they decided to never let another Nixon happen. Not that they would prevent another criminal Republican. But they would ensure that Republicans are never punished for behavior like this. It led to Fox News and Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson, etc. The writing has been on the…

> The only reason Romney lost is because he didn't lean into the hatred his base was demanding.

John McCain too ?

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Post by MrDisposable »

gosub100 wrote: post #656
_lvbh wrote: post #575

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Dodged a huge bullet coming to Europe instead of the US. Was considering moving there for work/startup but at this point, I'd literally rather go to China

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