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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by elcritch » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 6:39 PM UTC

yatopifo wrote: post #773

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And cases like Rumeysa Ozturk's are different. I also believe DHS should have to abide by the courts as well. Her case is also getting national and international attention and legal help.

By your logic, in the grand scheme of thing, it’s ok to deport elcritch and then say “elcritch’s” case was different and provide it with national and international attention and legal help. Full disclosure, i’m not arguing in good faith. As a Canadian I don’t believe the US has a future, so I’m merely highlighting an argument which is symptomatic of the country’s downfall.

You could construe my logic that way, but no I’m saying the DHS was likely wrong in that instance and it caused uproar and backlash. Unlike other nations where few would care if the government overstepped. Governments will always overreach, it’s how people pushback which matters.

Also I’m more likely to be arrested and deported for silently praying in the UK.

However there’s also political tactics of “look at that poor student being deported” when said student was calling for jihad, intifada, and antisemitism and violating visas on top of that, which was sort of my original point.

Heh and is Canada fairing any different? Remember when Trudeau froze bank accounts for truckers protesting Covid lockdowns or whatnot. Maybe Trudeau shutting down parliament to seemingly avoid scrutiny. Hopefully it’s just news sensationalism and not the downfall of Canada.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by ipv6ipv4 » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 6:42 PM UTC

yibg wrote: post #538

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In what context does your local neighborhood FB group raise Jews (or any other non-local ethnicity for that matter) as a topic of discussion?

I don't know, I'm not part of those groups. But my automatic assumption isn't they're a bunch of antisemites or hamas supporters.

This is not hard. In what contexts do Jews come up in your circle of friends?

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by YZF » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 6:43 PM UTC

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not wearing uniform, attacking civilians, capturing hostages and holding your own civilian population hostage by violently taking over the commercial distribution of free humanitarian aid can not be called legitimate in any way

You're right, Hamas should focus on uniform production(they wear uniform bandanas BTW, watch their videos) while Gaza has a higher proportion of destroyed buildings than Germany in ww2. You certainly got your priorities straight.

They have other problems that are higher priority apparently: "A 22-year-old Palestinian man was tortured and killed by Hamas militants after he criticized the group publicly and participated in rare anti-Hamas protests in Gaza, his family said.

Uday Rabie was taken last week by dozens of armed fighters with Hamas’ military wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades, in the Tal al-Hawa neighborhood of Gaza City, his brother Hassan Rabie told CNN on Tuesday." - https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/01/middleeast/uday-rabie-palesti...

And by the way, while they do have uniform, they don't wear them when they fight. Only for celebrations like their marching of civilian hostages. Gaza also has a higher proportion of structures used for military purposes (like all of them?) then Germany in WW2. There have been cities in Germany during WW-II that have been completely destroyed - we can pick that as a comparison. Picking entire Germany vs a tiny area is not reasonable.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by baq » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 7:17 PM UTC

Retric wrote: post #700

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Whataboutism does not change anything about it being a weak spot. I’m only saying the free speech west can’t use the same tactic against these kind of adversaries because they’re insulated against them.

Free speech including paid speech isn’t really a knock on free speech. Someone can be persuaded by an argument they heard once, but can’t per persuaded by an argument they never hear. Thus blocking speech by preventing any kind of speech including paid speech is problematic.

I’m saying ‘free speech is an obvious weakness’, not ‘we should disallow free speech’. Very different things.

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Post by rayiner » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 7:30 PM UTC

woooooo wrote: post #731

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Worth considering if this is what you voted for. Was the moment of pique worth it?

I’d rather have JD than Trump, but otherwise I’m thrilled. I don’t know what you mean by “moment of pique.” Ross Perot got like 20% of the vote. MAGA basically realigns the GOP to absorb the Ross Perot Democrats and Buchanan Republicans while pushing out the neocons. It’s not a new set of political beliefs.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by Aloisius » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 7:36 PM UTC

charlescearl wrote: post #768

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>Another difference would be that you are allowed to express your opinion, whereas in russia you would be put to jail, that's true but only in a very limited way. Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. I think we do have a much better system because we are aware of these cases, you can speak out about the issue, and our court system can rule…

The united states has the world’s largest incarcerated population. It currently dwarfs the number incarcerated by the Soviet Union during the 1930s. The USA has the fifth highest incarceration rate on the planet. In the Southeast United States, the incarceration rate of the Black population is 7% (as a point of comparison 2x the incarceration rate of minoritized Uyghur population of China per the World Uyghur Congres…

> It currently dwarfs the number incarcerated by the Soviet Union during the 1930s.

Not really. Estimates for the number of people in labor camps, labor colonies and prisons are all over the place, but based on their own fragmented records reached about 2 million by the end of 1938. That doesn't count pretrial/administrative detentions or the hundreds of thousands that were simply executed that year or all the people exiled to inhospitable settlements. And of course, the mortality rate in their penal system was extremely high.

> In the Southeast United States, incarceration rate of the Black population is 7%

Nowhere in the US is there anywhere close to incarcerating 7% of the black population.

That said, the US incarceration rate is ridiculously high and we should be ashamed of it.

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Post by janalsncm » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 7:37 PM UTC

corimaith wrote: post #712

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There’s probably not one single benchmark (and I won’t say that all of them are negative in the US) but we can just think generally about the things we’d like in a good life: Life expectancy. Chronic disease rates. Suicide rates. Depression rates. Violent crime rates. Marriage rates. Home ownership rates. Education rates. Debt rates. Labor participation rates. Wealth inequity. No one metric is a complete picture but…

70% of these metrics are solved in China (or most places in Asia) through methods that most people in this thread would be vehemently against. You can put the mentally-ill back into sanatoriums, enforce quick and draconian response to petty crime, and pay an economic underclass a pittance to clean your streets if you wish. Unfortunately for Americans, it's not the CEO at fault here actually, it's the middle class and…

> enforce quick and draconian response to petty crime

In the Bay Area the median response to petty crime is zero consequences for the criminal. This is because in practice criminals are not caught or punished.

If the cost of having laws enforced is that we need better surveillance (read: more security cameras) then guess what? We are already heavily surveilled.

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Post by cantrecallmypwd » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 7:37 PM UTC

mmooss wrote: post #579

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Hamas isn't an army, it's the political party voted into office to administer Gaza. The problem is a subset of it, the Al-Qassam Brigades, that conduct asymmetric warfare. If that were shutdown and violence were disavowed, that would give them political respect and would cease giving Palestinians a bad name that holds them back from the atrocities committed against them from being recognized.

The Palestinian people should unilaterally disarm and trust Israel's good faith? Trust the world to protect them? You are asking for a lot.

Violent resistance isn't a successful strategy at this point because the Axis of Evil has already won. The correct strategy is to take the moral high ground with nonviolent, peaceful, moral courage in forums other than where there are snipers. It will be risky but the same-old, same-old isn't working.

Violence doesn't win political credibility when you're extremely weak, and not in control of the media narrative to manufacture consent or justifications for aid and arms shipments.

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Post by kelseyfrog » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 7:41 PM UTC

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The right to be forgotten is a natural consequence of reality - nothing is by default permanent. It's digital systems that have perverted reality by persisting information beyond its normal short lifetime. If there's one law of the universe it's that nothing is permanent.

What if I did something and it was written down in a book?

We can "what if" ourselves into any position we want. The fact is that digital surveillance is here and does collect information about people in a scope that is qualitatively different than putting information in books.

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Post by HDThoreaun » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 8:02 PM UTC

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> The Israelis also actively prevent any aid from reaching gaza Then why is there so much aid in gaza? Israel controls gazas borders. If they didnt want aid in gaza there wouldnt be any. I just dont see how you plan to convince anyone when the thigns you are claiming are so obviously untrue

I don't know how you can extrapolate "look how generous the Israelis are" from the undeniable fact that they are blocking aid and not nearly enough is let in.

The israelis are oppressing the shit out of the palestinians. But we cant have a conversation about that if youre gonna make shit up like "Israelis also actively prevent any aid from reaching gaza" which is just obviously not true. Be honest, and if youre going to lie at least make it believable.