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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by johnnyanmac »

rsanek wrote: post #561
gs17 wrote: post #365

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> outside the horrible behaviour of border officers who show you that you are not welcome They've always (in my life, which is largely post 9/11) done that to US citizens too. Going into Canada it was "where are you going to? the beach, eh? have a nice day!", coming back seemed to be performed under the suspicion that our passports were fake and our car was made out of drugs. Despite doing nothing wrong, we were alwa…

never experienced this as a us citizen and I travel often. usually it is a polite "welcome home", otherwise it's a bored "ok you're good"

YMMV on so many factors. Which border, how you look and carry yourself, your vehicle or airline, etc.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by gosleepers »

genewitch wrote: post #417
rayiner wrote: post #190

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But the civilian oversight voted for the guy who promised mass deportations.

Police reform as a platform is career suicide in the US, because the blue lobby is huge . Not as big as AARP or AIPAC but it's up there.

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by Tainnor »

tm-infringement wrote: post #771
leereeves wrote: post #745

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Sorry, I strongly disagree. Comparing detaining someone for 10 days (for, apparently, a genuine violation of immigration law - self-employment on a TN visa) to killing twenty million people is in no way reasonable, and it's certainly not informative or curious. It's just a snarky ideological barb and a violation of those guidelines.

The plainly explained point is that democratic backsliding is gradual . The road to 20 million dead isn't someone suddenly declaring "we are the baddies", then a week later they start digging the mass graves. If someone appears with invalid paperwork to a border crossing you simply turn them away, or in the case of international flights you keep them in a room for a couple of hours and send them back next flight home…

> The plainly explained point is that democratic backsliding is gradual. The road to 20 million dead isn't someone suddenly declaring "we are the baddies", then a week later they start digging the mass graves.

This is so important and so often overlooked. The Nazis took power in 1933, but the persecution of e.g. Jews ramped up very gradually. At first, it was mostly boycotts and prohibiting Jews from working in government jobs. In 1935, they were stripped of citizen rights. In 1938, Jews had to change their names and carry a mark in their passport and Jewish children couldn't attend school anymore, and later that year Jewish shops were systematically destroyed and many Jews rounded up and imprisoned. But it wasn't until the start of WWII in 1939 that mass killings actually started taking place, and only in 1942 at the Wannsee conference was the holocaust as we know it today actually planned.

Many Jews stayed in Germany until it was too late because they didn't think that it could get worse.

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Post by Vilian »

yks wrote: post #355
rgreeko42 wrote: post #326

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Oh, well if DHS says so on X The Everything Site it must be true

In a blink of an eye Americans went from "the government is out there to oppress you" to "if the government says the undisclosed people it snatches from the streets and deports are criminals, it must be true".

Us-america are simply to ignorant to see that, they parrot what their sweet sweet propaganda say, it's just a shift from whoever is on power

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Post by account42 »

rayiner wrote: post #765
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #12

I traveled to the US (from my country -France- and many others) for 12 years. About a trip every month. The last time was 10 years ago. I never had any problems (outside the horrible behaviour of border officers who show you that you are not welcome). I was stopped once by a policeman when I did an illegal car maneuver (which is tolerated in France), and when he realized I was a tourist with family, he just said, "Be…

The U.S. is great. It's probably not apparent from Europe how crazy the situation got in the U.S. The number of illegal border crossings on the EU in 2023 was about 380,000: https://www.statista.com/statistics/454775/number-of-illegal... . The last few years, we have been having 150,000-300,000 per month : https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o . And the EU has a much bigger population (330 million versus 450…

I'd be careful comparing statistics like this between jurisdictions. What might be counted as a "illegal immigrant" is likely different between the EU and US.

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Post by Vilian »

consteval wrote: post #600
tac19 wrote: post #456

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Except almost none of these cases are given due process, so we're just meant to believe them. It's trivial to say people are terrorists or gang members or whatever, doing it in court is hard. That's why they don't.

True, but they are so individualist that they don't give a f*ck to what happens to their neighbors, they are the first type to report anyone to the government

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Post by account42 »

jszymborski wrote: post #696
transcriptase wrote: post #214

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I am Canadian. I’ve been to the U.S. a hundred times and nothing has really changed to make me blink at continuing to go. I have friends and family who work and vacation there, and it’s the same for them as it’s always been. The Canadian media and Canadian businesses have been drumming up fear and patriotic rhetoric to drive domestic industries. That’s great - the last 10 years of “Canada is a post-national state wit…

> nothing has really changed to make me blink Then you perhaps aren't looking closely. The US is undergoing one of the fastest democratic backslides (democratic sinkhole?) the world has yet to see [0], deportations and detentions are happening with zero regard to the rule of law [1], and our _sovereignty_ is under attack daily. If that doesn't make you blink, like most Canadians have [2], then perhaps nothing would.…

You might want to try getting out of your doom news bubble.

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Post by Vilian »

avgDev wrote: post #590
tac19 wrote: post #539

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That's really irrelevant to the point being discussed. I was just trying to give some context to the apparent hypocrisy the OP had identified, without adding my own opinion about it.

You are talking about uptick in trust due to administration taking steps against illegal immigrants. How is anyone supposed trust this administration when they constantly lie and break the laws themselves? How is my comment not relevant? Not that I agree with illegal immigration, however, I want EVERYONE to respect the laws.

>How is anyone supposed trust this administration when they constantly lie and break the laws themselves?

Try to explain that to anyone racist, ignorant or fearful of immigrants and you going to understand the point of the comment

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Post by robertlagrant »

consteval wrote: post #577
robertlagrant wrote: post #515

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> The question we all need to ask is - how many people are personally victimized by transgender Americans? Gay Americans? Green card holders? Once you start asking those questions, the current conservative zeitgeist becomes untenable, and the platform quickly crumbles.

I agree that that statement is technically correct, but I have observed various forms of it in American media, and here's my issue with it: the Conservative platform seems to not have run on it at all.

Broadly, I don't see the point in straw manning (conflating all immigration with illegal immigration, for example) in a good faith discussion. I've seen it a huge amount in left wing media, but I think honestly have to dismiss that discussion as bad faith and try and desperately search for the remainder.

Specifically, they haven't run on "gay Americans" that I've seen at all (I'm not sure what that would look like, even), and they haven't run on green card holders. They have run on trans ideation and surgery for children, and trans women in female spaces, and illegal immigration, it's true, but that is far more specific, and it's those precise issues that got them elected.

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Post by apwell23 »

troad wrote: post #761
jmb99 wrote: post #472

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If that is all the evidence presented, then under the wild new concept of “innocent until proven guilty,” yes it is.

That's never been the standard at the border. The starting assumption when crossing any[0] international border is that you don't have a right to enter the country, until you prove otherwise. People from wealthy Western countries are generally used to just waving their passports and passing through, but that is not nor has it ever been some kind of automatic right. People are questioned and denied entry all the time,…

ppl here are so freaking annoying and ignorant about how immigration works in any country.

you are right, for immigration its your responsibility to prove that you are not coming in to violate terms of entry. Onus is not them to prove that you are coming to work on tourist visa.

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