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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Spartan-S63 »

Jtsummers wrote: post #678
ManuelKiessling wrote: post #550

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It’s ironic how the one company that is WAY over the top wrt secrecy — not only to the public, but also and especially internally (they’ve even walled the hardware team from the software team while developing the iPhone!) — is at the same time the one company that really nails integration.

The key difference is that Apple (as an organization) appears to have an overarching roadmap (that spans multiple product lines). The secrecy is irrelevant as long as the leadership of each division is aligned (it hurts, but does not prevent success). Google, MS, and others are less organized at the top, so subdivisions of the overall org are left to plan for themselves and between each other, which leads to conflict…

This reads like a critique of centralized versus decentralized control, but I think it’s more about lack of clear intention.

Apple has a clear intent that allows the subsequent groups to work towards and contribute to it. Google and Microsoft don’t. They have a vague idea, but not something tangible enough for subordinate leaders to meaningfully contribute to.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by jameshart »

bboygravity wrote: post #586
Damogran6 wrote: post #461

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It's the potential for the model. Everyone else is hoovering the internet to model everything and Apple is sticking with their privacy message and saying 'how can I model your stuff to help you.' That's tangibly different.

I beg to differ. Example that should be super trivial: try to setup a sync of photos taken on your Iphone to a laptop (Mac or Windows or Linux) without going through Apple's cloud or any other cloud? With an Android phone and Windows laptop (for example) you simply install the Syncthing app on both and you're done. My point is not "Apple is worse", instead I'm just trying to point out that Apple definitely seems eage…

Apple is interested in providing products that they can guarantee will work, and meet actual user requirements.

"Sync my files without using Apple's cloud" is not a user requirement. Delivering features using their cloud is a very reasonable way for Apple to provide services.

Now, "Sync my files without compromising my privacy" is a user requirement. And Apple iCloud offers a feature called 'advanced data protection" [1] that end to end encrypts your files, while still supporting photo sharing and syncing. So no, you can't opt out of using their cloud as the intermediary, but you can protect your content from being decrypted by anyone, including Apple, ooff your devices.

It has the downside that it limits your account recovery options if you lose the device where your keys are and screw up on keeping a recovery key, so it isn't turned on by default, but it's there for you to use if you prefer. For many users, the protections of Apple's standard data protection are going to be enough though.

[1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651#:~:text=Advanced%20Da....

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Daneel_ »

bboygravity wrote: post #586
Damogran6 wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the potential for the model. Everyone else is hoovering the internet to model everything and Apple is sticking with their privacy message and saying 'how can I model your stuff to help you.' That's tangibly different.

I beg to differ. Example that should be super trivial: try to setup a sync of photos taken on your Iphone to a laptop (Mac or Windows or Linux) without going through Apple's cloud or any other cloud? With an Android phone and Windows laptop (for example) you simply install the Syncthing app on both and you're done. My point is not "Apple is worse", instead I'm just trying to point out that Apple definitely seems eage…

I just plug my iphone into my windows laptop and use the photo import tool built into windows. It works completely fine.

I also sync my photos onto my NAS via sftp, using the Photosync app.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by robertjpayne »

cchance wrote: post #768
tines wrote: post #752

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> those things are making YOU feel better not the person receiving it I don't think this is true at all. Love is proportional to cost; if it costs me nothing, then the love it represents is nothing. When we receive something from someone, we estimate what it cost them based on what we know of them. Until recently, if someone wrote a poem just for us, our estimation of that would often be pretty high because we know a…

Love is proportional to cost?!?!?!?! Holy shit thats fucking weird, it costs me 0 to love my mom, i love my mom lol, that doesn't change that fact. Broke mother that can't afford to take care of her kid doesn't not love the kid or vise versa. If your calculating "cost" for if someone is showing nuts, i feel sad for you lol, if my wife buys or makes me something or just says "i love you" they are equivalent, I don't g…

He uses cost in a context of time and effort not directly financial

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by abaymado »

I really just want Siri to perform simple tasks without me giving direct line-by-line orders. For example, I often use Siri to add reminders to my Calendar app but forget to mention the word “calendar” or replace it with “remind me,” and Siri ends up adding it to the Reminders app instead of the Calendar app. I want Siri to have an explicit memory that every time I use the phrase “remind me,” I want the task done in my Calendar app. Additionally, if most apps end up adopting App Intents like OpenAI’s Function Calling, I see a bright future for Siri.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by zmmmmm »

xcv123 wrote: post #774
zmmmmm wrote: post #766

It's interesting to see Apple essentially throw in the towel on on-device compute. I fully expected them to announce a stupendous custom AI processor that would do state of the art LLMs entirely local. Very curious if they are seeing this as a temporary concession or if they are making a fundamental strategic shift here. The problem is, regardless how hard they try, I just don't believe their statements on their priv…

Why would you expect that? State of the art LLMs need a GPU with hundreds of GB of RAM costing tens of thousands of dollars. Apple doesn't have magical supernatural powers. They are still bound by the laws of physics. Siri is still running on device (mostly) and is quite powerful with this new update.

in the past Apple has made the choice to gimp their functionality before sending data off-device - one of the reasons Siri has sucked so badly. This seems like a distinct change here, finally conceding that they just can't do it on device and be competitive. But I forsee they now have a much more challenging story to tell from a marketing point of view, now that they can no longer clearly and simply tell people information doesn't leave their device.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by shrew »

highwaylights wrote: post #603
ethbr1 wrote: post #334

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> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

Ironically, I feel like Apple might have lost me as a customer today. It won't matter to Apple, obviously, but so much of what they showed today I just felt was actively pushing me out of the ecosystem. I first bought some devices for myself, then those devices got handed off to family when I upgraded, and now we're at a point where we still use all of the devices we bought to date - but the arbitrary obsolescence ha…

iOS18 will still be available for older devices right? From the looks of the preview, it’ll go back to phones from 2018 which is fairly standard for Apple. And I’d imagine older iOS versions will continue to receive security updates for several years after they’re dropped from the latest version.

What is it about this release that has lost your support? Specifically gating the Apple Intelligence stuff to the most modern hardware?

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