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Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by bibabaloo »

rchaud wrote: post #332
justinhj wrote: post #197

Forgive me if I'm making a simplistic reading of this, but it seems the CEO has said that whilst apps and bots are making some good money, Reddit is losing money. Assuming Reddit has already taken cost saving measures (with 2000 staff maybe not), then how can they continue as a business losing money? I wonder if a model would work where all monetization of api calls has to be done through Reddit and the API itself, a…

> then how can they continue as a business losing money? The same way Spotify, Twitter, Snapchat and other loss-making companies do? Bring in new financing and new advertisers, fire staff.

None of those companies allow third party apps, do they?

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by oilchange »

twelve40 wrote: post #279
oilchange wrote: post #150

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> You'd need a bunch of dangs to mod every conceivable interest group, like soccer and German politics. People forget that reddit was popular and succeeded during the digg migration because it was pro free speech and minimally moderated. It was one of the reasons people migrated to reddit instead of here. The first 10 years of reddit, the community and the company prided themselves on being a "free speech platform."…

> it was not censored like HN! I don't feel like HN is censored. Does anyone think HN is censored? dang steps in mostly with technical edits or to break up a particularly nasty fight once in a while, can this really be called censorship? of course, you can take a karma hit from other people, but reddit always had that as well.

> I don't feel like HN is censored.

It's heavily censored but that's fine as it exists to serve a niche business community. And HN never claimed to be a free speech platform like reddit did.

> dang steps in mostly with technical edits or to break up a particularly nasty fight once in a while

He does that for sure, but he also censors heavily to meet the corporate, social, etc agenda.

When the admins and power mods of reddit decided censor more, HN is one of the censorship models they looked to - the psychological tricks, front running, shadow banning, etc.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by _sword »

0xr0kk3r wrote: post #717
munchler wrote: post #700

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Many of us are quitting Reddit for good on June 30 when Apollo and the other third-party apps are killed. This week's strike is just a warning shot across Reddit's bow.

I don’t believe that for a hot minute. These peoples’ identities are so wrapped up in Reddit it’s be like amputating a limb. No way.

I only browse Reddit on my phone, and I use Apollo, so when that’s gone I’m not sure I’d use Reddit anymore

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by kitsunesoba »

yanderekko wrote: post #566
OldManRyan wrote: post #314

There's a good number of people saying this strike is meaningless and reddit's API change will only affect a tiny % of users. I want to explain why I believe they are wrong. Engagement is a power curve. Most content is created by a small subset of users. I think it is a fair to say that if you use and especially pay for third party tools, whether that be a client or something like RES, you are more than likely a powe…

>Engagement is a power curve Sure, but the degradation of the UX based on these changes seems to be pretty exaggerated in my view. How many of these powerusers are only using Reddit through a 3rd party client and would quit the site over having it closed? My guess is that the answer is "not many", and Reddit is clearly banking on this... and why would I trust angry activists over Reddit's own internal analysis? More…

With how low post quality has gotten on Reddit, the only reason I'd continued using it is because Apollo offers a nice smooth experience that isn't trying to sell me anything or shove irrelevant posts in my face and makes it reasonably easy to filter. The official app crapifies the experience enough for it to no longer be worth using.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by _smfg »

memefrog wrote: post #663
hinkley wrote: post #102

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The hobby and craftsmanship forums are a lot less link farming. You can take or leave politics and current events I suppose, but something like discord or slack can’t sustain a conversation over hours or days. It gets flooded out by other conversations in four to twelve hours and then poof it’s gone. And there’s also the “better moderation than YouTube comments” aspects. Whatever Reddit is or can be, it’s lot as toxi…

Can reddit sustain a conversation over days? Except on the most inactive subreddits, nothing stays on the front page for more than about a day. The result is that the only people continuing the conversation are people responding from their inboxes, getting into back-and-forth arguments sometimes 50-100 replies deep. That's actually one of the things that I dislike most about the site, and the reason I've stopped usin…

This is a super interesting take I haven't thought about before, maybe it's time for me to find forums related to my niche hobbies.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by mlcrypto »

wpietri wrote: post #87
jcims wrote: post #34

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Reddit is basically successful despite itself. It's wild.

Twitter too! When I worked there they jokingly referred to the head of product as the defense against the dark arts teacher, in that every year or so they'd disappear mysteriously and there'd be a new one. Most of Twitter's successes came from watching what users were actually doing and supporting that (e.g., at mentions, retweets, quote tweets). Many of their failures have been trying to graft on something irrelevan…

Musk is actually very successful with Twitter. All time high users. Musk has never failed any business. Ignore the white knights

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by MicropenisMike »

dom96 wrote: post #523

I honestly didn't expect this from Reddit. It seems like investors are really tightening their grip and they are banning subreddits and long-time users who oppose these changes left and right. I built a free API emulating the Reddit API[1]. It was returning the same data as the existing publicly accessible .json endpoints on reddit.com (for example https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps.json ). They not only block…

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Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by hunter2_ »

crazygringo wrote: post #618
Sholmesy wrote: post #607

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> Quick Google searches reveal that Reddit has something between 0.5 and 1.5 billion monthly users Not disagree-ing with your points, but do you have a source for this? It doesn't pass the sniff test to me. 1.5B people is ~ 20% of the world population, and probably closer to 50% of those with computers & internet capable of downloading reddit.com, an image heavy forum. I'm in the demographic for Reddit (30s, male, we…

Everybody's reporting "Reddit had 430 million monthly active users in 2020", so that's the half-billion that seems to be fact-based. Then the current 1.5B number seems to be based on extrapolation (1.66B in [1] for one estimate) based on previous growth rates. I shared your initial skepticism, but Reddit is the 20th most popular site in the world [2]. I know I have definitely been surprised and even shocked that cert…

Does "user" mean "distinct human" or "user account" in this context? Need to keep in mind the culture of throwaways.

If 10% of users make a throwaway at a rate of 5 per month, then 100 monthly humans == 150 monthly usernames.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by jupp0r »

lelanthran wrote: post #670
jupp0r wrote: post #73

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It's not Reddit's content, it's the community's. It's literally users wanting to access their own stuff in a different way. If Reddit thinks it's theirs, they will soon notice that nothing is left of their business when those communities have moved elsewhere. To even create this war against your own users is complete folly.

> If Reddit thinks it's theirs, they will soon notice that nothing is left of their business when those communities have moved elsewhere. Where are they gonna move to? I'm not being facetious, I'd really rather like to know - where on earth are all these moderators going to start up their new groups on? If there was a viable alternative they would've found it by now and there wouldn't be a strike, there'd be a desert…

My best guess is that somebody will write a clone. It's not rocket science.

Re: Reddit Strike Has Started

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Post by hapticmonkey »

0xr0kk3r wrote: post #717
munchler wrote: post #700

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of us are quitting Reddit for good on June 30 when Apollo and the other third-party apps are killed. This week's strike is just a warning shot across Reddit's bow.

I don’t believe that for a hot minute. These peoples’ identities are so wrapped up in Reddit it’s be like amputating a limb. No way.

I’d like to continue using the site, but third party apps are the only way to do so in a bearable way.

The mobile site and official app have terrible UX and bugs that make the whole experience rather infuriating.

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