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The real reason why Google canceled the talk is because the speaker has a long history of anti-hindu rhetoric and multiple employees complained about the talk to HR. That Washington Post article is lying (or being extremely disingenuous) to take advantage of outsiders without context of the situation.
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It's right there at the start of that section: > The term "affirmative action" was first used in the United States in "Executive Order No. 10925",[17] signed by President John F. Kennedy on 6 March 1961, which included a provision that government contractors "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and employees are treated [fairly] during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color…
no I mean in practice how is “treating people fairly” implemented. I only seen 2 versions. 1-Diversity quota 2-lawsuits against the company for not hiring you. everything you quoted just say “be nice” but doesn’t describe the mechanism that can be used to increase fairness.
I don't know about you, but my companies have never had a quota, and have never been sued, and, had more diverse employees than our peer companies.
Maybe you can explain how we did that?
It's almost as if, in practice, JFK's idea worked for us.
A good read for some additional context on caste discrimination in the American tech industry: https://www.wired.com/story/trapped-in-silicon-valleys-hidde...
As a Dalit myself, I wrote a Dalit 101 for non Indian audience. https://thelit.substack.com/p/dalit-101
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>The role of caste within the US is a super important conversation to have, and every resident of the US is entitled to participate, but there are a lot of people with a vested interest in shutting it down and the tools to do so. I don't believe HN's current moderation policies/leadership make this the place to have that conversation though. Participate in good faith all you want, you'll still earn a ban/warning for…
Show us an example of a good faith argument that earned a ban.
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>Last time I saw a big thread related to the topic there were super deeper threads of people just straight up calling each other slurs. I hope you didn't take my comment is advocating for that. I can't really comment on a thread I didn't see. >They probably would have been flagged, but the threads were just so deep you wouldn’t see that unless you’re intently following the thread. Sounds like pointless name calling.…
I disagree. It is permitted, but it’s important to tread carefully and have a nuanced discussion that is respectful of other points of view.
Left unstated is the assumption that Brahmins limit their discrimination to Dalits.
Oh while we are on this topic there are branches within Brahmins and each group gets to feel superior to other Brahmins because reasons. In some regions, there were also some devout worshippers of one God that take adverserial position about worshippers of another God (Shiva versus Vishnu) Luckily most of these (I think) are on their way out and don't manifest in professional workplaces of today. These tendencies mus…
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As a Dalit myself, I wrote a Dalit 101 for non Indian audience. https://thelit.substack.com/p/dalit-101
Your write-up is quite simplistic and hence is very much open to misinterpretation by non-Indians. I highly suggest that you consult the works of Patrick Olivelle and Susan Bayly to get at the real History of "Caste" (Varna vs. Jati etc.). That way you can present what is actually stated in the Hindu Scriptures vs. Their misinterpretation and later practice within Indian Society. Excerpt from https://en.wikipedia.org…
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As far as I know (from some coworkers) they do. But last name is only the first step/flag in identifying to which caste person belongs. Sorry, I don't remember exact details, but there some additional steps like special clothes I think?
Yeah, I think the Brahmins have a vest you can feel on the shoulder, so they do a shoulder grab to act close.
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Usually you know someone's caste from their last name. I am someone who was not given a caste-based last name because my parents were influenced by a regional movement against caste. (I didn't even have a last name to begin with but eventually added a non caste-based one to avoid visa issues.) Whenever I traveled by train and chatted up with a co-passenger, almost surely they would ask my name and would never be sati…
> Whenever I traveled by train and chatted up with a co-passenger, almost surely they would ask my name and would never be satisfied with just knowing my first name. What happens of they find out you’re a lower caste, so they just stop talking to you, talk down to you, etc.?
I'm also not lower caste (or particularly upper caste for that matter) and my parents were doctors, so my family was relatively well-off in a very, very poor part of India, so almost all other social indicators would tell them to place me higher in social status. So, the experience of others would vary.