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Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by mrtksn »

spookthesunset wrote: post #782
mrtksn wrote: post #774

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Why I’m sensing a tone of desire to cancel the virus? As if, not fun anymore let’s do something else kind of canceling. A few months back I was in Bulgaria, where the majority of the population is antivaxx virus deniers mask sceptics. It’s true that mask free virus free worry free life is much better, it was liberating to be in Bulgaria. However, at the same time everyone knew someone who died from covid. Much more t…

The situation we are in is absolutely a choice. We can choose right now today to move on from Covid. All we have to do is decide to stop being afraid of it. Accept the risk and move on. Everything we’ve done in the last two years is not caused by the virus but our reaction to the virus. PS: eventually even the most hardcore fearful will have no choice but to move on. Omicron is not the last variant and Covid will be…

Do you understand that your level of fear is irrelevant from virus perspective? Sars-cov-2 doesn’t care about your feelings.

We will eventually move on, the idea is to do it with least damage possible. People moved on from the plague, the black death ve will move on. It’s just doesn’t need to lose so many people in the name of conspiracy theories and inconvenience.

The handling of the situation is different everywhere. It’s a management issue, not really a virus issue.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by josephcsible »

johnchristopher wrote: post #783
spookthesunset wrote: post #769

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If I was in charge I’d classify tech workers as non essential and not let them work. Make them go through unemployment for a while. I bet a whole lot of these privileged people would suddenly become a lot less “scared” of Covid… The amount of privilege that reeks from the tech sector is astronomical. I’ve never been more embarrassed working in t is industry than these days.

> If I was in charge I’d classify tech workers as non essential and not let them work. Make them go through unemployment for a while. I bet a whole lot of these privileged people would suddenly become a lot less “scared” of Covid… Tech workers were classified as non essentials. That's why we got the whole remote thing. Other professions also got labelled non-essential and governments asked employers to put remote/wfh…

> Why do you want to punish people who managed to keep their job because you don't like the fact they are scared of covid ?

Not GP, but one reason is that they're advocating for restrictions that have severe detrimental effects (loss of employment) on others, but not on themselves.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by spurgu »

GeekyBear wrote: post #786
vimy wrote: post #700

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We don’t do clinical trials for the yearly flu vaccine update, do we?

Yes, but it's a greatly abbreviated process for each year's new version of the Flu vaccine. Going forward, the FDA has already said that a reformulation of the mRNA Covid vaccine would face a similarly shortened approval process. >FDA says Covid vaccines that target new variants won’t need large clinical trials to win approval https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/22/covid-vaccine-fda-says-shots...

This reminds me of the 737 MAX.

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Post by rsfern »

firmnoodle wrote: post #422
dragontamer wrote: post #404

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> It is the only endgame. The covid virus is not going away. Even if everyone on the planet suddenly got vaccinated simultaneously, the virus has an animal reservoir. You know that Smallpox was in cows (aka: Cowpox), right? We still wiped it out. Smallpox, Measles, Polio. We've wiped out diseases before, and we can do it again if we so try. I'm frankly more flabbergasted that people don't even know the history of dis…

Agreed. But I don't hear anyone talking about making a old style COVID vaccine that prevents infection, disease or transmission. That's what's different in this case. We don't currently have what we many of us used to think of as a vaccine.

We are lucky we have vaccines at all; it was never a sure thing.

Also, IIRC Sinovac’s Coronavirus vaccine is an “old style” inactivated virus vaccine, and the J&J one is an adenovirus vector vaccine. They are not as effective as the mRNA vaccines.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by johnchristopher »

josephcsible wrote: post #792
johnchristopher wrote: post #783

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> If I was in charge I’d classify tech workers as non essential and not let them work. Make them go through unemployment for a while. I bet a whole lot of these privileged people would suddenly become a lot less “scared” of Covid… Tech workers were classified as non essentials. That's why we got the whole remote thing. Other professions also got labelled non-essential and governments asked employers to put remote/wfh…

> Why do you want to punish people who managed to keep their job because you don't like the fact they are scared of covid ? Not GP, but one reason is that they're advocating for restrictions that have severe detrimental effects (loss of employment) on others, but not on themselves.

I haven't seen much on HN about such restrictions so I suppose something in the mainstream media does point to that or I have a bias. Do you have some examples ?

Also, apparently, wearing a mask and getting vaccinated is already a giant no-no for some here so I'd like to know what restrictions are being advocated by who ? Surely it's not a `they` as in everyone though, right ?

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Post by shagie »

dredmorbius wrote: post #733
vimy wrote: post #689

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Which makes me wonder why it takes so long this time?

Drug assessment goes through three stages of human testing, after other models, to assess safety, efficacy, and finally, dosing. If possible, basic efficacy testing is done on non-human models, either in vitro or animal models. For species-specific viruses, this is difficult and may be impossible. I'm not sure what if any such testing was done with the SARS-COV-2 vaccine candidates. A basic safety test with dosages t…

> And once you have a candidate treatment, you've still got to produce and supply that, with manufacturing and logistics considerations, all of which were evident in the rollout of existing SARS-COV-2 vaccines (e.g., production issues, patent licensing, quality control, storage and refrigeration, cold-chain management, patient contact, scheduling, and follow-up, etc.).

One of those manufacturing / logistics consideration was "we need to make a lot of high quality, sterile glass that can withstand the temperatures that the pharmaceutical companies are saying they're going to be using for transport."

Corning was part of Operation Warp Speed - https://youtu.be/asDKBi5Ungc - they had to build a glass plant to make 0.5B vials/year.

Re: Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe Covid: study

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Post by spookthesunset »

mrtksn wrote: post #791
spookthesunset wrote: post #782

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation we are in is absolutely a choice. We can choose right now today to move on from Covid. All we have to do is decide to stop being afraid of it. Accept the risk and move on. Everything we’ve done in the last two years is not caused by the virus but our reaction to the virus. PS: eventually even the most hardcore fearful will have no choice but to move on. Omicron is not the last variant and Covid will be…

Do you understand that your level of fear is irrelevant from virus perspective? Sars-cov-2 doesn’t care about your feelings. We will eventually move on, the idea is to do it with least damage possible. People moved on from the plague, the black death ve will move on. It’s just doesn’t need to lose so many people in the name of conspiracy theories and inconvenience. The handling of the situation is different everywher…

> Do you understand that your level of fear is irrelevant from virus perspective? Sars-cov-2 doesn’t care about your feelings.

The way you talk scares me more than the virus. It is so authoritarian and creepy. So many of my tech worker colleagues talk the same way. It’s abuse. People that talk your way are the kinds of people that commit grave atrocities in the name of some cause you are 100% bought into. You do not have the moral high ground you think you do. Stop now before you let very evil people use you to commit very bad things to your fellow humans.

You’ve already allowed your government to destroy our kids, caused old folks to die alone in care homes, gutted the working class, transferred enormous amounts of wealth to the richest in society, and divided the population in a way never seen before. You are committing great evil and you foolishly believe you are doing it for a proper cause. You aren’t.

Covid ends when you personally decide it does. Covid has no feelings. It’s a virus. It does virus stuff. It’s a part of nature just like earthquakes or tornadoes. We have very little control over it. Accept that and move on.

End your fear and Covid is no longer a problem. It is literally as easy as that. Nobody has to “accept” the virus requires them to sacrifice their very short amount of time on this earth unless they allow it to. And anybody who tells them otherwise is not to be trusted at all, for they have nobodies interest in mind.

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Post by sjg007 »

jack_pp wrote: post #712
sjg007 wrote: post #711

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If you can’t research the scientific literature effectively, that’s on you.

No, it is on you to provide proof for your assertions. It is not my job to verify your claims.

You are parroting debunked arguments from 2 years ago.

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Post by johnchristopher »

spookthesunset wrote: post #785
johnchristopher wrote: post #783

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> If I was in charge I’d classify tech workers as non essential and not let them work. Make them go through unemployment for a while. I bet a whole lot of these privileged people would suddenly become a lot less “scared” of Covid… Tech workers were classified as non essentials. That's why we got the whole remote thing. Other professions also got labelled non-essential and governments asked employers to put remote/wfh…

> Why do you want to punish people who managed to keep their job because you don't like the fact they are scared of covid ? These very same tech workers have zero problems punishing the rest of society and selfishly forcing them to cower to their fears. So yeah, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Very little tech work is “essential”. So they should be on unemployment… let them wake up and realize the w…

> These very same tech workers have zero problems punishing the rest of society and selfishly forcing them to cower to their fears.

Could you please provide some examples of how tech workers have been able to punish the rest of society ? As far as I can tell it's the public authorities who decide laws and public health policies. Tech workers can't even unionize and now they can lobby for WFH or lockdowns and are punishing the rest of society ?

> So they should be on unemployment… let them wake up and realize the world doesn’t revolve around a fucking respiratory virus.

I wrote it in my previous comment then deleted it but I'll finally put it here because fuck it: I did lose my job one month into the first lockdown because my n+2 non tech boss decided to use the federal budget allocated to my job to create a new job for her bestie. How am I privileged ? Why didn't being put on unemployment during lockdown erase my fear of covid ? While at the same time a family member of mine who is an artist lost her gigs but thanks to our welfare state she didn't lose an euro of income in the last two years and now she's setting up fires and stirring things up in antivax/mask riots in Brussels. Their world revolve around the virus, their only meaning in life is now to be against every health measures (and yes they are ordering covid online in the Netherlands rather than get a jab. Which FAANG employees is forcing her to do that, uh ?).

You may not like how the covid thing is handled but thinking it's tech worker's fault is wack and wanting to punish them for that is wackier. If anything, talk to your representative or your councilmen or something. They are the one in charge.

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Post by [deleted] »

gpapilion wrote: post #765
not2b wrote: post #720

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There's no guarantee that it will work that way: smallpox didn't get less deadly. Only vaccination wiped it out. If the patient is contagious before developing symptoms, the virus can spread very effectively even if many patients die.

Arguably covid is already less deadly, the majority of deaths are concentrated in older populations. Generally the disease isn't as impactful to those under 50, meaning its not interfering with your ability to have children or raise children. Age and Date Data: [ https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Se... ]

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