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Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump
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#792If you think Trump and/or his army treats this as a defeat, think again. Once Biden is in office, social media companies will become rubber stamps for the establishment or be faced with breakup. You wanted one-party rule...you're going to get it.
At risk of feeding the troll, want to bet? You win if, as of January 21, 2029, the Democratic party has retained continuous control of the Presidency, Senate, and House of Representatives and controls the legislatures of at least 2/3 of the states. I win if not. Loser has to admit they were being histrionic and has to preface every public political comment they make for 5 years after that with "I have a tendency to exaggerate, so feel free not to take me seriously"
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#793Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a pretty false equivalence. To cite the most recently example, Fox repeatedly propagating Trump’s lies about the election has no analog on the left.
What about Trump/Russia collusion?
The fact/news reporting from the NYT and others on that story was in fact all correct. It was really just "process reporting", telling us what was going on (who the FBI was talking to, who said what, what got leaked, etc). They did not draw conclusions.
Over in the editorial section there were people trying to stitch that all into a vast conspiracy that was in the end not proven out. But that's what editorial is about.
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#794I know Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit and all the rest don't count as broadcast media but I feel like we got here in part because the 1987 elimination of FCC's fairness doctrine slowly allowed a shift in how we communicate with each other. We went from specious claims and conspiracy theories being the subject matter of newsletters to their public broadcast to millions via talk radio ~and Fox News~, thus allowin…
Traditional TV and Print News Media gets the most eyeballs when they are controversial. Fox, CNN, MSNBC all do everything they can to coddle their specific segment. They phrase and comment on the news in a way that'll either excite their segment when they think it'll benefit and soften the blow whenever they think it'll hurt. And no, none of them appeal to a general audience. The ads that each network displays will t…
While I actually agree that they are "trying their best" (though I feel like "their best" isn't that great ;P), I feel like they have also--on purpose--built something that requires super human levels of "trying" to get right... content recommendation is something that, even at that scale, should have ramifications attached to it, even if it means people don't build them (as the world would probably be better off without them anyway, and it ain't like causing harm at a larger scale is somehow less harmful than doing it on a smaller scale). Until such point, I am at least glad they have discovered a new source of truth: https://www.theonion.com/mark-zuckerberg-announces-all-of-fa...
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#795This is so Facebook. * Enables and encourages (and makes money off of) spreading hate messages on their platform for years * Hamhandedly does a full reverse and bans of one of the leading spreaders only after it's too late to make a difference. * But just in time to curry favor with the groups newly in power. A twist to the old cliche: too much, too late. How cowardly.
No matter what they do, half the population will scream. Imagine if they strongly censor things from the start, that undoubtedly won't fly well with the HN crowd either. Just look at the HN discussion thread when Youtube decided to remove election fraud videos.
Yeah, it wouldn't fly well because FB shouldn't play a judge.
I don't understand why we don't have a due process for stuff like this.
Trump haters keep justifying that FB is private they can ban whoever they want. Then, when a theme park bans a gay couple, they are screaming violently.
I understand how it would be hard for normal people to push something through legal routes.
But even Warren doesn't want to use a legal route to ban fake news (and such), and she was a lawyer now senate. She instead bought an ads with fake news on Zuck.
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#796Been in tech a long time. Been on HN a long time. Over the past few years reading comments here it seems that the people are already communist and the government is just now catching up. Trump helped avoid it for a short while. Tech used to be creative, respectful, and open. I simply cannot believe the commenters here are my peers. The double speak, double standards, and vitriol toward anything Trump/conservative rel…
I agree entirely. I've often gone to the bottoms of comment threads on controversial topics. It should no longer be a +vote or -vote. Most + is orthodox and most - is heterodoxy.
We are seeing the fracture of the human mind. Part of it is simply the lockdowns which prevent us from being able to see and talk to each other openly. I just wrote about this before all the insanity happened:
https://battlepenguin.com/philosophy/the-fracturing-of-the-h...
I get - votes and people yelling at me for bad faith all the time in this thread, but I cannot simply ignore it anymore. Someone has to call people out on their intolerance and media fueled 24/7 hate. We are not in Orwell's world, because there is no way Orwell could even make this shit up. This world would frighten Orwell, and when you bring up 1984, some people will even tell you that Orwell supported fascism.
> “Don’t you see the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed will be expresses in exactly ONE word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten” -George Orwell, 1984
The hard left is controlling language. Major dictionaries changed the definition of a phrase because of what a D-Hawaii said on the floor during a Supreme Court confirmation hearing. This is insanity.
"So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause." -Star Wars II
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#797Earlier quoted context omitted.
Context matters. What Trump did over the last 5 years pales in comparison to what he is doing now. The effortless transition of power is the most fundamental and sacrosanct process in a democracy. And everyone has an obligation to defend it.
So true, Even if the US election often seems like a coin flip, the fact that it only lasts 4 or 8 years means that a wrong flip doesn't matter so much. This is probably pretty important, as it's well known that Americans like to exhaust all other options before doing the right thing ;)
> Even if the US election often seems like a coin flip, the fact that it only lasts 4 or 8 years means that a wrong flip doesn't matter so much.
Except on those occasions when the President, Senate Majority, and House majority are all the same party. (That gives them two years before the House might flip.) In today's we're right and they're wrong -- which is how each side sees it -- one-party rule could get interesting.
What people seem to keep forgetting is that only one Presidential candidate has ever gotten more votes than Trump got in this last election and that was Joe Biden. Both the far right and far left wings need to be reigned in.
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#798Been in tech a long time. Been on HN a long time. Over the past few years reading comments here it seems that the people are already communist and the government is just now catching up. Trump helped avoid it for a short while. Tech used to be creative, respectful, and open. I simply cannot believe the commenters here are my peers. The double speak, double standards, and vitriol toward anything Trump/conservative rel…
This is delusional. I recommend you set a reminder to re-evaluate this statement in 5 years.
I recommend you address the arguments and concerns without insulting the person making it and calling them delusional. That's not only against HN policies, it kinda emphases OPs point.
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#799Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you're more or less encouraging a coup, the "fire in a crowded theater" analogy couldn't be more applicable.
It's only applicable if someone did yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater (and there wasn't a fire). The worst Trump did here was say that people should march on Capitol Hill and "cheer on" congresspeople. I guess people are assuming this was coded language to incite violence, but I'm not buying it
In the world we live in, with the Trump followers that we actually have, significant numbers of them took it as a call to violence. And that was predictable. Trump knew or should have known.
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#800Pretty certain he 'll start using one of the uncensorable platforms