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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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> I don't think that's contradicting. Sure it is. Only means exclusively, one, no more. They're saying, "You exclusively need to wear a mask if you're taking care of a person with C-19". This action, excluding all others.

"Only" qualifies "need". "you only need to wear a seat belt on public roads" and "you should wear a seat belt on private roads" are not contradictions.

You're confusing a declarative v. an imperative statement. What you propose is a declarative, and you're correct that it ain't contradictory.

The WHO's messaging, however, is imperative¹ (emphasis theirs):

"For healthy people wear a mask only if you are taking care of a person with suspected 2019-nCov infection"

This makes it clear that it directly contradicts the more widely-accepted similarly-imperative advice of "wear a mask in public, no matter what".

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¹: https://www.who.int/images/default-source/health-topics/coro...

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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I do find the "censorship by private companies" discussions particularly interesting as a number of comments seem to overlook that we're conversing this very topic on a heavily censored and moderated forum that tailors its permitted content either directly (moderators) or indirectly (users downvoting). Its content, moderation, and selection are the primary reasons we enjoy visiting this site and having discussions. A…

Weekly? Try daily or hourly. I routinely read HN starting at https://news.ycombinator.com/active which shows flagged stories and I have showdead switched on, exactly because I don't trust the moderation here. All kinds of interesting and useful stories get flagged for no obvious reason at all. HN's own guidelines are very vague and contradictory.

I'm sure the mods just erase stuff outright too, but unfortunately there aren't really many better forums out there - subreddits are hardly a paragon of transparent and fair moderation. Slashdot got it the most right even so many years ago but the site has been abandoned and was decaying for a long time. It's just unpleasant to use these days (not because of the comments).

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

Surely there's some daylight between honest disagreement and misinformation campaigns?

Perhaps, but given Google's track record of banning users without explanation for strange reasons I somehow doubt YouTube is able to perceive that daylight.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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It also says you should wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing, which contradicts the "only" wording of the previous statement.

coughing or sneezing -> not healthy

To add to this: just because you're not coughing or sneezing when you leave the house doesn't mean you'll stay that way throughout your quarantine-breaking excursion among the public. This is especially relevant for seasonal allergy sufferers like myself.

Might as well just assume that you'll probably end up needing to cough or sneeze at some point and just wear the mask.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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> You’re on a slippery slope and don’t consider that this is an exceptional situation. The basis for those civil liberties is a document written by people accustomed to seeing 400k Europeans die of smallpox every year.

Despite all their best efforts at studying the effective transmission rate, wearing PPE, and developing treatment drugs and vaccines! Yeah, seems like an equivalent comparison to me.

If anything that only proves the GP's point. During the mentioned time period the only solution was to infringe on civil liberties by imposing a strict quarantine, and yet the people of the day still decided that it was better to die free than to live oppressed.

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> Heck, we already decided trashing the economy is worth "saving lives" (how many?), People dropping dead in the streets will trash the economy.

[citation neeeded] People die all the time. Pretending that the jury is out on the long term impacts of Covid 19 is ascientific.

I'm responding to this not for you, but for others. You should know that what you've just said indicates a disgusting train of thought not characterised by any good intention.

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The issue when talking about the long term affects is that, you're right, we don't have enough information. However that doesn't mean we should sit on our hands and do nothing.

The whole point of humans recording history (and science is mostly just trying things and writing them down so we can build on this knowledge later) is to see patterns and conclude things.

There's all kinds of misinformation that can spread in the cracks here because only history will tell us the real truth, but drawing on similarly infectious diseases from history will help significantly.

It's not 'ascientific' to draw from the corpus of scientific knowledge. It is ascientific to say: "This disease is completely unknown so we should wait until the human death toll has reached critical mass before making an action which could impact our wealth".

For the sake of the parent, there are studies on the loss of population and if we lose 1-2% of the population in the span of a few months then indeed that will recess the economy quite sharply.[0]

In case you forgot, economy is the quantity and value of transactions in a market. Less people is lower quantity.

From the admittedly little we know about the disease, it is much more deadly than anything that's currently making the rounds. (If you're going to rebut me please control for number of people infected, because it's a common misconception that "more people die of other things" but that's because "other things" are affecting more people)

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_consequences_of_popul...

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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As did several countries. From the article it should be clear that the observers were there to learn from their Chinese colleagues, not to conduct independent research on human-to-human transmission.

> From the article it should be clear that the observers were there to learn from their Chinese colleagues, not to conduct independent research on human-to-human transmission. The Taiwanese experts saw clusters of disease, such as a wife who got sick a few days after her husband, but did not visit the wet market personally. This was an indication of human-to-human transmission. Not quite the "unconfirmed rumors from…

EDIT: disregard, I got the dates mixed up. Original included below for transparency's sake.

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And particularly-damningly, the WHO then turned around and claimed on 14 January¹ that there was "no evidence" of human-to-human transmission even though said evidence was right there in front of them.

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¹: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUN7LIXUMAY_2DI.jpg

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( The idea is: "We are the decent, good, people who know the truth. Now we control the platforms, so it's only well and good we control the information, and we tell the deplorable others what they can and can't say." Almost everyone in the history books as a horrible oppressor has told themselves that narrative. Many…

How are police, judges, jurors, etc. exempt from this narrative? Or do you believe that the entire legal system simply should not exist at all, given that it clearly needs to determine the truth value of important statements?

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

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