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YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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The road to hell is paved with good intentions. WHO is a political organization with medical leanings just like Fox News is an entertainment channel that covers newslike topics. Yes, there's a lot of information out there about SARS-COV2 and COVID-19 infections out there that are downright misleading at best and life threatening at worst. No, censoring that content including videos is NOT the role of a hosting platfo…

> WHO is a political organization The YouTube statement was not, really, about the WHO. It was an interview. Wojcicki was pointing out that they'll be removing "medically unsubstantiated" content like 5G conspiracy theories, and as an example said that anything that clearly contradicts the WHO would likely not qualify. The decision to put "WHO" up there in the lede seems to be click baiting on the part of the BBC. Fr…

Yes, it's disappointing that that the conversation has shifted to extreme examples. The actual policy seems reasonable and has room for discretion.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9803260

> Fact check your work. Use reputable sources from organizations such as the World Health Organization (WHO), Centers for Disease Control (CDC), and National Health Service to inform your content. For official resources relevant to your country/region, check here.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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This is one of those completely false things that people only believe is true by repetition. Go back and actually read the full set of WHO statements in mid-January. They have a bunch of statements saying there probably is person-to-person transmission, and a bunch saying that specific studies haven’t yet found hard evidence for person-to-person transmission (because at that point most of the cases they’d managed to…

What is false about this tweet? [1] [1] https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

"No clear evidence" uncovered in a "preliminary investigation" was a completely true statement. They never ever said "okay, this definitely isn't transmissible, everybody can ignore it". They said in the early stages that it was too soon to be sure. All the other tweets from this period are saying the same thing: something might be coming, so countries should prepare.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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I don't think that's contradicting. Directly contradicting would be "Don't wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19". What you described sounds more like extending the current WHO recommendations.

I think "You need to wear a mask when you go out of the house" directly contradicts "you only need to wear a mask when taking care of someone with COVID-19"

That doesn’t really imply that you cannot or should not. The “only” there means they aren’t necessarily recommending you to do so but it is not forbidden.

So requiring you to wear masks in other situations does not contradict, because otherwise “doctors should wear masks at all times in hospital” would also contradict that (assuming the doctor isn’t taking care of just Covid-19 patients).

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Sometimes, I'll hear someone talk about a place called "Virginia", and I'll have no idea what they are talking about. Eventually, I figure out through context clues that they are referring to the Commonwealth of Virginia. I wish they would save me the time of having to constantly explain why they are wrong.

Bad analogy. This would be like people calling Rhode Island "Newport". The official state name is (the State of) "Rhode Island" (and Providence Plantations), and calling it by the name of one of its territories makes no sense.

Yet we all knew you meant Rhode Island by saying Newport.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

China has it under control. It will not become a pandemic. It doesn't transmit between humans. Who is Taiwan? Wouldn't dare contradict the WHO...

Please don't let the bad-faith "China bad" idiocy leak here from Reddit.

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This is terrible. I wrote this week how centralized, point-and-click mass censorship has a non-obvious failure mode in emergencies/pandemics/wars that poses an existential threat to a free and self-determined society: https://sneak.berlin/20200421/normalcy-bias/ (Note well that this exceptionally dangerous failure mode is based simply on the existence of the technological capability of mass instant censorship, not th…

> parroted China’s line about no human-to-human transmission This is one of those completely false things that people only believe is true by repetition. Go back and actually read the full set of WHO statements in mid-January. They have a bunch of statements saying that nations should get prepared, one saying that specific studies haven’t yet found hard evidence for person-to-person transmission (because at that poin…

Screenshot: https://twitter.com/Austen/status/1245689629178650624

The ambiguity between their various statements at that time, taken together, just furthers my point that those statements should not be immune from dialog, criticism, verification/falsification, and discussion of those results.

YouTube has banned that.

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WHO advices: -masks dont work -closing borders doesnt work -should of closed borders, its too late now

> -should of closed borders, its too late now

The WHO is completely consistent: they have never advocated for closing borders. (After all, the W in WHO stands for World.) They still don't want closed borders.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

It also says you should wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing, which contradicts the "only" wording of the previous statement.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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>Given that, who should YouTube use as a source of truth? Why are we expecting a private company to provide "a source of truth"? What happened to the whole idea of the Internet being about the free flow of information? >Or should they let 4chan tell your grandma to drink bleach to fight the Rona? Why don't we have parental controls for our parents yet? Why are we applying blanket bans on parts of the Internet when it…

Apparently I have hit the nerves of lots of people from my parent post and since I am and like to be publicly accessible, people who disliked my thoughts have really let me know what they think of me and where I belong :D I am noticing, increasingly in the country I live in - the U.S., an extremely concerning attitude towards love for censorship. More concerning is that the proponents have "good intentions" at heart.…

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Free speech (well, most freedoms, really) will die the day we decide "saving lives" is worth _any_ cost. Heck, we already decided trashing the economy is worth "saving lives" (how many?), I imagine some people would be overjoyed to remove the 1st amendment in order to lower disease spread, lower the suicide rate of those vulnerable to hate speech, etc. And why stop there? Remove 2nd amendment and you can save even mo…

You’re on a slippery slope and don’t consider that this is an exceptional situation. The danger of losing civil liberties comes when the exception becomes the rule. AFAIK, no amendments have been violated since YouTube is a private entity. They can editorialize what they, how they want. It’s is their liberty to make a choice here, the same as your liberty to not support that choice.

> You’re on a slippery slope and don’t consider that this is an exceptional situation.

The basis for those civil liberties is a document written by people accustomed to seeing 400k Europeans die of smallpox every year.

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