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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by antifarben »

I'm an exception for sure but I have not seen much innovation in the phone space that you'd genuinely make me buy a new phone.

Yes, cameras are better now. But some phones had good cameras years ago. I bought new phones mainly because of battery decline and/or not getting security updates.

If one of these will be solved, that might change my phone buying behaviour.

I don't care whether a display is called "retina" , whether the next edition comes in the colour "space banana grey while lion tiger snail".

And I don't need to impress someone by proving that I'm able to buy a new phone either. Such behaviour gives me a good hint what to think about them though.

A phone that will have the battery situation solved is a killer argument. Then I'd like to have a software distribution on top that it's "mum compatible" and doesn't need nerd knowledge to maintain. Something that allows to use banking apps.

Let's see how it goes. Also I hope that there can be third party batteries without DRM-like behaviour.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by fulafel »

proee wrote: post #205
twilo wrote: post #4

If a battery can do 1000 cycles and remain above 80% capacity it is exempt from this, which is exactly what Apple implemented a few years ago. Low cost phones will be most affected.

This could be "fixed" right now by a software update that limits the maximum charge level to 80% of capacity. However, this comes at the cost of how many minutes of runtime your phone can operate. So manufactures might just responds to this by making your phone heavier with a bigger battery that is being under utilized.

Battery capacity of smartphones seems to double every ~8 years. The design space is adding more battery capacity, reducing battery life, or using less power.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by ezst »

vel0city wrote: post #346
ezst wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree. I want a replaceable battery in my phone. They can get to extensible memory next. And it's not because you don't care about something that you should remove this freedom from me. And don't tell me that the market will self regulate in the best interests of the consumer or other nonsense like that.

I want replaceable CPU and memory in my phone as well. I demand the government force device manufacturers to use socketed CPUs using standardized sockets and SO-DIMM memory. And it's not because you don't care about something that you should remove this freedom from me.

I mean, why not? Fairphones showed it can be done, to an extent. At least this should be pursued. One step at a time, though.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by 0x1ceb00da »

orthecreedence wrote: post #442
arjunthazhath wrote: post #272

Dude I dream of a day where there will batteryless phones with no requirement to charge. That would be pure bliss.

Like, a landline?

Nfc tags don't have battery and they draw power from the em waves of the scanner. Maybe in a few centuries we will power our phones using the cell towers.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by arjunthazhath »

orthecreedence wrote: post #442
arjunthazhath wrote: post #272

Dude I dream of a day where there will batteryless phones with no requirement to charge. That would be pure bliss.

Like, a landline?

But landline requires wire. A portable mobile phone without battery and no requirement to charge.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by gib444 »

blinkingled wrote: post #221

Now they only need to make sure that a supply chain for replacement batteries exists, there is regulation and competition and options remain available for a reasonable price. There are plenty of old Dell and HP laptops with replaceable batteries which can only be found on eBay or some random seller that does who knows what under the refurbishing process.

> Now they only need to make sure that a supply chain for replacement batteries exists, there is regulation and competition and options remain available for a reasonable price.

No, they won't do the hard part. Just the minimum plus a ton of PR and back patting then move on.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by spaqin »

wincy wrote: post #255
bombcar wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're taking "commercially available" to mean things like a screwdriver - not a $1000 phone disassembly machine.

With all due respect, I can buy a kit on iFixit for $55 for an iPhone 16 pro max, including the battery . I’ve replaced my iPhone battery before, aside from the glue being a bit sticky so needing a heat gun it isn’t that difficult.

I've replaced a battery in my 2019 Xiaomi phone for $5 (the costs of the battery), using basic tools - albeit the back was already ungluing itself, making that part easier. At 10x the price, it's hard not to call it a massive markup.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by gib444 »

dev1ycan wrote: post #688
jdboyd wrote: post #681

I certainly understand the value of replaceable batteries. OTOH, I'm concerned about what this will mean for how many common upper end phones are IP67 submersion rated. I don't want that to go back to being a feature only of clunky super expensive phones, and I would rather have IP67 over a replaceable battery. Now, if I'm lucky, they will mandate both a replaceable battery and that the phones be ip55 or better, afte…

"I would rather have IP67 over a replaceable battery" Not me, and not most people.

You read this in some report right? (surely the same report the EU read to justify this law). So got a link for us?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Post by cookiengineer »

antifarben wrote: post #781

I'm an exception for sure but I have not seen much innovation in the phone space that you'd genuinely make me buy a new phone. Yes, cameras are better now. But some phones had good cameras years ago. I bought new phones mainly because of battery decline and/or not getting security updates. If one of these will be solved, that might change my phone buying behaviour. I don't care whether a display is called "retina" ,…

To me the best "tradeoff" right now is buying used Fairphones from ebay.

It is LineageOS HEAD compatible and has replaceable batteries.

But it has some quirks. Medium performance if even that, non working fingerprint sensor. Camera quality from 2005.

I don't have gapps installed so I'm using my phone without any type of payment/2fa/banking apps. That decision from opsec makes it easily reflashable, so my anti malware strategy is essentially just reflashing the phone every couple weeks :D

My battery usually lasts a week because of using only f-droids chat, navigation, and translation apps for the most part, aside from the browser. I use Firefox with uBlock Origin, saves an insane amount of battery lifetime.

To me, repairability is the feature I value the most in a phone, so I'm kinda willing to compromise on the other features.

Fun fact: Did you know that WhatsApp, Telegram, and Signal all restart themselves when you connect to your headphones? If you froze them before, they'll just drain your battery again when you have any bluetooth changes. You can easily verify that by staying in airplane mode and freezing them, then connecting your headphones in airplane mode.

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