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All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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No shot at all apple batteries can last 1000 cycles and remain above 80% capacity. Probably can’t even do 300 in my experience. Sounds like an easy lawsuit.

In the meantime, my daily driver here in reality land: https://i.imgur.com/8yEEJVb.png

212 cycles, still 100% capacity (maybe 99.5 rounded up) "relative to when it was new". Doesn't that seem a bit dodgy to you?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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What if we regulate batteries even more? i.e. what if, in some magical perfect world, the world get's together and agrees on batteries for phones like how we agree on AA,AAA,D,C batteries? Even more though.. a standard connector, a standard comms bus, a variety of sizes, and they were designed for reuse as efficiently as possible.

Now we can scale up volume, swap them out, be free to purchase from a different manufacturer, and have scaled up recycling services.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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better than glued.

Heat guns and pryers are commercially available. I don't think this will change anything there.

Also Stanley's Fubar and CAT 797 trucks are commercially available, doesn't mean I will need one of those to change my phone battery :)

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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> The move comes amid EU-wide efforts to cut the continent’s carbon footprint and tackle mounting waste [...]

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> [...] if specialised tools are required, they must be provided free of charge when the phone or tablet is purchased.

So if a family buys several phones and tablets that all use the same specialized tool to change their batteries they end up with several identical specialized tools?

From a reducing waste perspective wouldn't it be better to just require that the tool be available for free for some reasonable amount of time such as however long the manufacturer is required to support the device?

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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>The regulation states that batteries must be removable using ‘commercially available’ tools This is doing a lot of work here. There's enough wiggle room for this to be absolutely meaningless. Anything short of I can slide off the back cover and maybe unscrew two or three screws to replace the battery means that a lot of people are going to end up not being able to replace the batteries.

The rest of that same sentence, " – and that if specialised tools are required, they must be provided free of charge when the phone or tablet is purchased," seems to mitigate that concern, no? I suppose it hinges on what the test for a "specialized tool" is.

You can buy a soldering kit for 100$ USD. That doesn't mean normal people are going to be able to use them.

I'd rather force larger companies to offer battery replacement at cost + shipping.

I have no real interest and opening up my own devices and messing with batteries, but I have no problem paying the manufacturer $100 for service.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Aren't today's phone batteries already replaceable with commercially available tools? I can walk into a non-apple store with my iPhone and walk out with a replaced battery 20 minutes later. This isn't even what drives obsolesce of phones, it's software updates. If you really want to be able to self-swap your own battery, you can just buy an Android that has a replaceable battery. Do we need to regulate something that…

People shouldn't have to go to a special store or buy special tools requiring special skills to change a battery.

I'd rather my phone be waterproof than have a battery I can replace myself

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

#147

Aren't today's phone batteries already replaceable with commercially available tools? I can walk into a non-apple store with my iPhone and walk out with a replaced battery 20 minutes later. This isn't even what drives obsolesce of phones, it's software updates. If you really want to be able to self-swap your own battery, you can just buy an Android that has a replaceable battery. Do we need to regulate something that…

People shouldn't have to go to a special store or buy special tools requiring special skills to change a battery.

In a perfect world, sure. But people also want phones these days that are physically durable, have some degree of waterproofing/water resistance, maximum battery life, etc. Many of the demands and expectations of a modern phone aren't easily compatible with a replaceable battery design that can withstand the incompetence of the average end user.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Aren't today's phone batteries already replaceable with commercially available tools? I can walk into a non-apple store with my iPhone and walk out with a replaced battery 20 minutes later. This isn't even what drives obsolesce of phones, it's software updates. If you really want to be able to self-swap your own battery, you can just buy an Android that has a replaceable battery. Do we need to regulate something that…

They're taking "commercially available" to mean things like a screwdriver - not a $1000 phone disassembly machine.

Re: All phones sold in the EU to have replaceable batteries from 2027

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Aren't today's phone batteries already replaceable with commercially available tools? I can walk into a non-apple store with my iPhone and walk out with a replaced battery 20 minutes later. This isn't even what drives obsolesce of phones, it's software updates. If you really want to be able to self-swap your own battery, you can just buy an Android that has a replaceable battery. Do we need to regulate something that…

People shouldn't have to go to a special store or buy special tools requiring special skills to change a battery.

Engage with the content of his comment instead of resorting to ad hominem.

He's right - the market wants embedded batteries, although perhaps not directly. Embedded batteries have improved price, battery capacity, water proofing, size, and strength. If the consumer really wanted a removable battery and all that that entails then there would be more phones that offered that. The reality is people misjudge what all that entails. By all means, I would love to just make the iPhone battery directly replaceable without any compromises but that's not reality.

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