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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by MaxikCZ »

LogicFailsMe wrote: post #778

You couldn't make me a happier claw^Hm over this. I am running 3-6 simultaneous agents at once and I have trouble breaking 50% weekly usage with a max plan. What these people are doing is just sloppy engineering. OTOH if you use Claude Code to make code changes, then run that code, the max plan remains more or less free beer for as long as it remains free beer for all the reasons cited elsewhere in this thread.

are you running opus? Iam able to burn trough 40% of my weekly 20x max plan in one day :(

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by fluoridation »

harvey9 wrote: post #551
fluoridation wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If gyms faced a situation where people would go and spend 18 hours working out every day for a month, they would probably change how they billed things. Not the best example. The upkeep cost of a gym is pretty flat regardless of how much people use the facilities. Two people can't use a single machine at the same time make it wear out twice as fast. The price of memberships is not correlated to usage, it's inversely…

Two people can't use a machine at the same time is the issue. If you have 50 machines and 200 customers all of whom want to be in the gym 18 hours per day that's quickly going to lead to cancelled subscriptions. Now you need more space and machines or some other way to balance things.

Agreed, but it's an indirect causal link, not a direct one. If the demand far outstrips the possibly supply the demand will have to go down, and it can either go down by people accepting that they can't be in the gym as much time as they would like, or as you say by memberships being cancelled (in which case the price may go up or something else might change).

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by fabbbbb »

MaxikCZ wrote: post #781
LogicFailsMe wrote: post #778

You couldn't make me a happier claw^Hm over this. I am running 3-6 simultaneous agents at once and I have trouble breaking 50% weekly usage with a max plan. What these people are doing is just sloppy engineering. OTOH if you use Claude Code to make code changes, then run that code, the max plan remains more or less free beer for as long as it remains free beer for all the reasons cited elsewhere in this thread.

are you running opus? Iam able to burn trough 40% of my weekly 20x max plan in one day :(

How?! That must be like 10 parallel Opus 4.6 with all cranking lots of in and out respectively very long sessions?

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by LogicFailsMe »

MaxikCZ wrote: post #781
LogicFailsMe wrote: post #778

You couldn't make me a happier claw^Hm over this. I am running 3-6 simultaneous agents at once and I have trouble breaking 50% weekly usage with a max plan. What these people are doing is just sloppy engineering. OTOH if you use Claude Code to make code changes, then run that code, the max plan remains more or less free beer for as long as it remains free beer for all the reasons cited elsewhere in this thread.

are you running opus? Iam able to burn trough 40% of my weekly 20x max plan in one day :(

What... Are... You... Actually doing???

I am running opus to make changes to my code then running the code. I am genuinely curious how we are having such disparate experiences here. And at this point, IMO you're in too deep not to share...

Genuinely wondering if you're running gastown or some other crazy mixture of agents pretending they're an AI startup. I get by with a developer agent and a reviewer agent ping ponging off each other encouraged to be rude, crude, and socially unacceptable about it.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by saulpw »

Syntaf wrote: post #432
g-mork wrote: post #77

My answer to this is simply rolling back to the pro plan for interactive usage in the coming month, and forcefully cutting myself over to one of the alternative Chinese models to just get over the hump and normalise API pricing at a sensible rate with sensible semantics. Dealing with Claude going into stupid mode 15 times a day, constant HTTP errors, etc. just isn't really worth it for all it does. I can't see myself…

I put in probably thousands of Claude session hours a month, aggregated across work + personal. I must be missing something or supremely lucky because I feel like I’ve never hit these “stupid” moments. If I do, it’s probably because I forgot to switch off of haiku for some tiny side thing I was doing before going back to planning.

There are 720 hours in a month. You'd have to be running 3 sessions in parallel continuously to be doing thousands of session-hours in a month. Are individual people really doing this?!

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by pickleRick243 »

vichle wrote: post #615
vasco wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every morning it summarizes a bunch of stuff for me, suggests me PRs to review, emails to reply to, freshly cloned any new repos, pulled all others, presents me with the suggested approaches to my PRs of that day, and gives me a list of my slack mentions that look more urgent. This is just the morning ones, and saves shitloads of time of clicking around from tool to tool, freeing up time for the thinking and deciding…

Wow, you should probably ask it to write a script for 90+% of that instead . Sounds like a huge waste of electricity.

How? Most of what was mentioned requires discretion and judgment. You can question whether an LLM would be able to offer that, but there’s no script that can do b it.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by predkambrij »

Alifatisk wrote: post #594

Skimming through the comments, it feels like I am reading the same message over and over. I agree with some comments that are pointing out the issue with Anthropics capacity constraints and when Subscription vs Api is appropriate. I would like to point out something else. I have Z.ai subscription and they have a dashboard on my usage. When trying out Openclaw a while ago, I noted something worrying. Its constantly co…

Yeah, its heartbeat. If you keep HEARTBEAT.md empty, it won't be consuming tokens every half an hour. Use cron for periodic tasks if possible, but if you need LLM to process something periodically, that's what heartbeat is for. Z burned 166mio tokens in last 30 days, majority was the heartbeat. Definitely wouldn't pay for that if it wouldn't be the subscription. It uses 1-4% of every 5h quotas. Definitely not sustainable, but I take the opportunity to learn things while it lasts.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by muyuu »

throwthrowuknow wrote: post #642
lherron wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think maybe you are not familiar with what /loop and the Claude cron tools do. https://code.claude.com/docs/en/scheduled-tasks

I think maybe you still don’t understand that not everyone will max out their usage, regardless of the methods available.

People don't pay double the $100 account in fixed recurrent payments if they don't intend to use a lot more than they would use in the $100 subscription.

Perhaps people at Anthropic should ask Sonnet (or Kimi, it's much better value) how power laws and pareto distributions work? You are advertising for people who can justify a virtually unlimited amount of tokens, why is it surprising that they would use as many as you're offering them in the plan?

PS: interesting that you'd use a throwaway account to post this

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