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Post by danudey »

palmotea wrote: post #717
toyg wrote: post #606

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the joys of poetry is that it can contain multiple hard-to-describe facets of the same concept. * The revolution won't be televised because they won't show it to you. * The revolution won't be televised because it's not a passive, external experience that you just consume. * The revolution won't be televised because it starts inside yourself.

* The revolution won't be televised because we don't watch TV anymore (and are fragmented and increasingly don't even have those common touch points anymore).

I'll watch the revolution when the whole season comes to Netflix and I can binge it over a weekend.

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Post by noitpmeder »

lbrito wrote: post #433
js8 wrote: post #133

When I was 11, on 17th Nov 1989, in Czechoslovakia, my father was watching the evening news on our (black and white) TV, as usual. There was a protest and the state media was reporting on it. When the reporter said, "our camera broke down and we can only show black and white pictures", my father IMMEDIATELY jumped up and angrily said, "that's bs, you don't want to show how they [the protesting students] got beaten up…

You don't understand. Its different: _they_ were doing it. The Bad Guys. Now _we_, the Good Guys, are doing it. Therefore, the thing itself is no longer Bad - it is Good. The comment above was ironic. I have to specify because supposedly intelligent people really think that way: https://x.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955

Wouldn't it be awesome if that X post was satire? Wishful thinking ...

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Post by danudey »

trhway wrote: post #723
jamwil wrote: post #714

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Most of which had, in fact, no basis in truth. So no that’s nothing like the Mexican election.

So censoring falsehoods is good, and censoring truth is bad, and you're the one who decides which is which, and you like such censorship working your way. And when censorship you'd just liked so much starts to be used against you, you start to whine. Millenia old story of a deal with devil. And by the way the covid "fact checking" wasn't based on "truth", it was at political request of White House as Zuck later said,…

Zuck is opposed to any sort of regulation of misinformation and lies because that sort of content drives engagement and that's what makes him money. If people on social media weren't allowed to post outright falsehoods then the entire right-wing rage machine would collapse in on itself and social media companies' KPIs would tank.

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Post by danudey »

jamwil wrote: post #761
direwolf20 wrote: post #758

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On all matters reality decides which is which. None of us have a psychic link to God (anyone who thinks he does, does not, and should be institutionalised), but there are many good heuristics for what is true, and we do not have to abandon the concept of truth.

I think we agree but those heuristics… That is the scientific method. That’s all we got.

99% of climate scientists: human-triggered climate change is real

1% of climate scientists: climate change is probably just something that happens and we can't do anything about it

Legacy media: it's important that we give equal time to both sides of this argument.

Social media: climate change is a lie and you can tell because 99% of climate scientists all agree that it's real! That's how you know it's a conspiracy! You can't trust the institution! Also buy these supplements, they cure covid and cancer and chemtrails!

We're doomed.

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Post by danudey »

lbrito wrote: post #433
js8 wrote: post #133

When I was 11, on 17th Nov 1989, in Czechoslovakia, my father was watching the evening news on our (black and white) TV, as usual. There was a protest and the state media was reporting on it. When the reporter said, "our camera broke down and we can only show black and white pictures", my father IMMEDIATELY jumped up and angrily said, "that's bs, you don't want to show how they [the protesting students] got beaten up…

You don't understand. Its different: _they_ were doing it. The Bad Guys. Now _we_, the Good Guys, are doing it. Therefore, the thing itself is no longer Bad - it is Good. The comment above was ironic. I have to specify because supposedly intelligent people really think that way: https://x.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955

Taking away people's guns is unamerican, unless you're taking them away from someone I consider to be unamerican, like an immigrant or a liberal; in that case, it's for the good of America that we take away their guns, and the people who wrote the constitution never intended for it to apply to all people the way it says, but only white people and non-white people those white people find to be convenient allies for the time being.

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Post by TheAlchemist »

elbci wrote: post #754
TheAlchemist wrote: post #695

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As a fellow Eastern European of similar age, I suddenly feel quite nostalgic. I really wonder how my life would be different if someone told be that the US, which for me was as close to a paradise as it gets, will go down the same road in the future - I think it would shatter quite a lot of my dreams of a better life. US is nowhere near as bad as it was on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain, but it's on a fast track…

maybe it's not too late to find out that US was always like this and the fairy tale our parents listened on CIA's RadioFreeEurope was just - a fairy tale for gullible grown-ups ;)

I'm contemplating it, but I'm not that old yet !

Of course there was always a bit, sometimes a lot, of propaganda everywhere. But at least it was (mostly) for the right causes and ideals. Right now, US is being governed by what I see as the worst possible people, with 0 morals.

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Post by mrighele »

ceejayoz wrote: post #699
mrighele wrote: post #686

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You can also reverse it. (Western) Internet was mostly censorship free, unlike places like Iran, China and the like. Things were removed only if outright illegan, and then just because of a court order. Then about ten years ago things changed. ISIS videos about the Syrian revolution removed from Youtube because they were radicalizing people. Conspiracy theories about COVID purged because they were dangerous. Posts ag…

> Then about ten years ago things changed. No, they didn't. We had McCarthy in the 50s. We had Focus on the Family and the Catholic League getting shows canceled. The Simpsons had a public feud with George Bush Sr. Cancel culture long predates the internet. Hell, it predates humans ; plenty of other species kick antisocial members out of group gatherings.

Yes they did. I am talking about the Internet.

It used to be that anybody could post anything on the Internet. If it was something illegal sooner or later the state FBI/a Judge/Whatever would come for you, but it was a matter between you and the law. Your Internet provider, your hosting provider, etc. couldn't care less because they were not involved in your activity, in the same way that the post office is not to blame if you send an explosive letter using their service.

That's Section 230. While it's an USA-specific law it was in the spirit followed also in most of the other Western countries.

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Post by noitpmeder »

rluna828 wrote: post #743
fogzen wrote: post #459

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The U.S. government has not publicly presented any concrete evidence showing that TikTok has actually been used to influence US public opinion in line with CCP policy.

If I was a foreign government I would promote division. For the left promote anti-center truth. For the right, anti-center truth. For the center, anti-wing truth. Recommendation systems do this automatically, they are inherently anti-social. This power needs to be controlled domestically were we can force changes to algorithms if needed.

How about just letting the user choose, instead of foisting your own idea of 'right' on them.

If I was the US blessed feed, let me have it. If I wasn't the Chinese maintained one, why not.

Or, even better, let me make my own! Or use one from an open source that I, the user, trusts.

Hell, EXPOSE THE ALGORITHMS. The simple fact that we can't see the weights, or measure inputs to outputs, means we are in total control of whomever currently holds the reins, and they can literally play God behind the scenes if they have control over enough eyeballs.

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Post by tamarinddreams »

kurthr wrote: post #639
elektronika wrote: post #527

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> Content about Tiananmen Square and Tibet gets filtered out. Content about the United States government rolling through protesters in armored vehicles, killing people in Venezuela with bombs, and threatening Greenland, straight to top of feed. There's also the degree of relevance. Tiananmen was over a quarter of a century ago. The USA is killing protestors, bombing Venezuela, threatening Greenland now.

The persecution of Uighurs continues apace. Even if it is not allowed to be called genocide on TikTok. The political elements to this are pretty obvious, but conflating two terrible Minneapolis ICE killings in 3 weeks to the horror that occurred in Xinjiang is beyond the pale. While we may go down the authoritarian path with a Clown King, we're still at least 10-15 years behind China. https://www.rfa.org/english/uygh…

China had the less sophisticated tools of groups like the Stasi in that era.. 3 weeks of terror was not much more in retrospect.

Americans who are currently protesting should consider if the apparatus will be subtly manipulating their environment not just in the next months or years but from now on with high quality data it will have perfectly categorized mined and will re-mine.

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Post by dylan604 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #766
dylan604 wrote: post #677

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How can you say the Chinese "haven't"? They've been using soft power for some time with Venezuela. They've been importing Venezuelan oil. They have been making loans as well. The loans a are a huge part of "soft power". They've also replaced a lot of items impacted by Trump's tariffs from South America.

Things the US could also do if it unsanctioned them. I threw my computer off the balcony. I look at a web design business. "No fair!" I think to myself, "if only I had a computer I could have a web design business too!" I smash the web designer's computer out of spite.

The US could? The US has used soft/hard influence for a long time. We've crop dusted Colombian fields attempting to eradicate cocaine. We've eliminated leaders in Central and South America. We've influenced elections trying to get specific leaders elected. We've sanctioned the shit out of one little island, we blockaded the island when it was allowing itself to be used/influenced by another government we didn't like. We've allowed US corps to invest and build infrastructure within these countries. We've given them millions/billions in various ways including straight cash injections.

I don't know how much more would need to be done for you to think things are being done.

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