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It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by dsego »

shantara wrote: post #519
williamdclt wrote: post #452

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> already barely usable (imo) finder been using a Mac for years, and to this day I don't know how it's possible to navigate directories using Finder. It only has shortcuts for a few folders by default (photos, documents...) and doesn't have a button to navigate to the parent folder. I have literally no idea how to get to my home directory, I need to use the CLI

Even after decades of using macOS I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that Finder has no single button shortcut for opening a file - the most common operation a file manager should do. It’s Cmd+O, and it cannot be changed to anything sane like Enter key.

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by krylon »

reichstein wrote: post #662
krylon wrote: post #580

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This is the howling insanity that drove Microsoft to kill the start button, then reanimate it, then move it to the center of the task bar .

... thus falling into the Pitt of failure, where every way out is just a little too far away.

When I started using Linux, I didn't do so because I disliked Windows so much, I just was an insatiably curious nerd.

But since then, each new version of Windows has made me more and more grateful for not having to deal with that dumpster fire on my personal devices.

The saddest part to me is that I have the strong impression it wouldn't take that much work to turn Windows into a much better system. But for whatever reason, Microsoft is not interested in making that happen. Maybe they are incapable of doing so. But the system itself not the reason.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by roughly »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #733
cyberge99 wrote: post #482

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You’re not looking far enough ahead. Liquid glass isn’t about Mac. It’s about VisionPro and wearables. This is a strategic play by Apple.

>This is a strategic play by Apple No, this is the fault of a company and industry with way too much money and not knowing what to do with it. So they hired a bunch of artists who would otherwise be carving wood in a decrepit loft somewhere after taking half a mushroom cap. These people now decide how computers should operate. I remember watching a documentary from the 80s where Susan Kare explained how every pixel i…

> a bunch of artists who would otherwise be carving wood in a decrepit loft somewhere after taking half a mushroom cap. These people now decide how computers should operate.

…brother, you’ve just described the history of the personal computer and the Internet. It’s not the hippie artists causing this problem, I promise you that.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by dsego »

williamdclt wrote: post #452
queenkjuul wrote: post #408

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I finally talked my company into letting me swap out my MacBook pro for some little Dell. After the last year of updates, my Mac has stopped resuming from sleep reliably, everything is ugly, they took the already barely usable (imo) finder and system settings and found exciting new ways to make them worse. Sadly corporate security means os updates were not optional. I've never really liked macOS but it feels like som…

> already barely usable (imo) finder been using a Mac for years, and to this day I don't know how it's possible to navigate directories using Finder. It only has shortcuts for a few folders by default (photos, documents...) and doesn't have a button to navigate to the parent folder. I have literally no idea how to get to my home directory, I need to use the CLI

You can add shortcuts to the sidebar by dragging. You can right click the folder name in the top bar to get a list of parents. You can also View > Show Path Bar and see the the full clickable bread crumbs. Not sure why this is so confusing if you bother to try.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by bxparks »

Sharlin wrote: post #109
flumpcakes wrote: post #65

It seems like Apple's hardware design is universally loved with much acclaim, why is their software getting progressively worse? It's not Microsoft-add-all-the-bloatware-and-adverts-we-can worse, but it's 20-year-old-operating-systems-were-better-designed worse. We're getting to a point where I think Linux windowing systems like KDE are better designed. And it seems that all they had to do was not change much over th…

To be fair, they also made several infamous hardware design choices back in 2016, all of which they’ve later reverted.

Not all reverted. Still waiting for my USB-A ports and the SD card reader, on laptops described as "Pro". It's as if Apple forgot that "Pro" is a shorthand for "professional" instead of a meaningless marketing term.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by etempleton »

dijit wrote: post #398
etempleton wrote: post #349

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Without hyperbole, Liquid Glass on Mac OS is visually the worst commercial desktop UX I have ever had the displeasure of using. It is amateurish and frankly, ill advised to have even tried to unify the aesthetic across devices so universally. I think much of what is on the phone works fine. There are some pain points and some bits that are visually awkward, but generally it works and is new and fresh, but on the Mac…

I agree. My first rebuttal was going to be Windows 8, but that was actually a lot better.

Oh geez, I forgot about Windows 8. Visually it looked nice enough, though. Once you got out of the insane touch first overlay it was fine, but I reinstalled Windows 7 so fast I never had to spend much time with it. I guess by that measure Windows 8 was worse.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by yxhuvud »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #291
throwaway_ab wrote: post #8

It's hard to justify snowflake animations on your website...

It's Christmas, lighten up. I think the animation adds a glorious bit of irony: "look, here's a horribly distracting effect that is almost designed to make it difficult to read the article, and it's still not as egregious as Apple's Tahoe design!"

Well, it is kinda cool in my room, so i guess the extra warmth from my mobile was helpful.

And it got noticeably warm.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by koyote »

staplers wrote: post #510
xnx wrote: post #455

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> If a PM tells you to shove a UI style More than likely designers are making up work to justify their jobs. Not good for your career if you admit the desktop interface was perfected in ~1995.

Uber, Airbnb, Robinhood all took off because they created easy to use beautiful apps (compared to their predecessors). The anti-design bias in this forum is genuinely unhinged. I see some saying the entire destruction of the natural world stems from design lol.

Uber very much falls into the category of "useful despite the awful app" for me.

It's slow, bloated, buggy and ugly. Probably one of the worst apps running on my phone.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by lossyalgo »

torben-friis wrote: post #342
sirwhinesalot wrote: post #247

It's hard to justify Liquid Glass in general. The wastefulness of flat design (in terms of space) married with the visual excess of skeuomorphism, but without even providing any affordances (does the sidebar being raised give you any new information on how to use a sidebar? No). If you're a designer at a top 10 S&P 500 company making 6 figures, you owe it to yourself to have some love for your craft. If a PM tells yo…

My main gripe with Liquid Glass is how distracting it is. Many top bars have become a group of bubbles over the content, which we’ve been conditioned to see as floating notifications for years. Things shine and move when they don’t require attention, just because. The end result is that my OS feels like a browser without ad blocker. As much as people hated flat design, at least it didn’t grab your attention with tack…

Someone posted these settings on HN recently and it has made working on my Mac once again usable: https://imgur.com/a/macos-accessibility-settings-simpler-ret...

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Post by ruszki »

robinhood wrote: post #631
juancn wrote: post #150

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Seriously? UX in Linux is awful, there's no single desktop metaphor. You have hundreds of distros each with their quirks. There is no "Linux" other than the kernel. There's a lot more consistency in the Apple ecosystem. Don't get me started on the other crap with Linux distros: power management doesn't work, audio barely works, heck even though both Linux and MacOS use CUPS for printing, in MacOS it works way better.

It looks like an old comment from 5 years ago. I bet you haven't tried Linux lately. Yes there are many flavors of this OS, and that's alright. Everyone will find what it needs. As for the other crap that doesn't work: again, install and use any popular distro. You'll see for yourself. Most recent hardware is perfectly supported and things just work™.

The other way is true too. I’m reading for about 20 years quite often that Linux is perfect at last, no issues exist at all, and it improved immensely the year before, because “back then” (ie one year before) it was terrible. And of course if you mention a problem under an article mentioning problems, you obviously just somebody who doesn’t know anything. You just need to “configure” it bro, because a famously unreliable thing cannot be unreliable, because it worked for them in a completely different setup. And probably I will read these in 5 years too.
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