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Re: Sora 2

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Post by askl »

paulcole wrote: post #465
cogman10 wrote: post #464

I've seen a lot of "this is impressive" but I'm not really seeing it. This looks to suffer from all the same continuity problems other AI videos suffer from. What am I looking at that's super technically impressive here? The clips look nice, but from one cut to the next there's a lot of obvious differences (usually in the background, sometimes in the foreground).

As a gauge for how seriously I should take your critique: How many hours a week are you actively using AI tools yourself? What percentage of public comments that you’ve made about AI tools have been skeptical or critical?

Did that gauge even make sense?

If you're already a heavy user of AI tools, you've seen or used previous generations already. So it's just a gradual improvement, nothing to get excited about.

Just like smartphones have been incredibly boring in the last 10 years because the only change has been "slightly more performance" or "marginally thinner".

Re: Sora 2

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

echelon wrote: post #668
ketlag wrote: post #662

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If you think this stuff is going to last longer than four months, dog, we're cooked.

I've been watching these videos for about an hour now. I really want to call this the "Suno moment" for AI video. Prior to Sora 2, you had to prompt a lot of clips which you then edited together. You had to create a starting frame, maybe do some editing. Roll the dice a lot. Veo 3 gave us the first glimpse of a complex ensemble clip with multiple actors talking in a typically social media or standup comedy fashion. B…

I can see this, it's extremely impressive from a technological standpoint, and I've already been caught by the first convincing fakes on Reddit (an army person giving an anti-Trump speech). But I'm also worried, as it's a super easy channel to create convincing fakes, mass produced 'content' for mass consumption, etc.

Now these things aren't new, fake videos / images go back decades if not a century. But they took some effort to make, whereas this technology makes it possible for it to take less effort than it took for me to write this comment.

Of course, it's always my choice; if I stop visiting Reddit and touch grass instead it really won't affect me directly.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

suddenlybananas wrote: post #753
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #742

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Steelmanning? It's infinite content, meaning our customers will never run out of new and interesting videos to watch, which will inspire them to feed prompts into our systems too and have it generate more videos. Money can be generated from multiple angles; we can charge a premium for generating videos beyond a small free tier once we've hooked the prompters, we can offer people or companies the option to promote the…

This is your steelmanning? God it sounds awful.

I know, right?

Re: Sora 2

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

smartmic wrote: post #762
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #742

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Steelmanning? It's infinite content, meaning our customers will never run out of new and interesting videos to watch, which will inspire them to feed prompts into our systems too and have it generate more videos. Money can be generated from multiple angles; we can charge a premium for generating videos beyond a small free tier once we've hooked the prompters, we can offer people or companies the option to promote the…

Social media is also a wonderful tool for influencing participants and controlling them in the long term. In other words, behind the economic purposes there is a darker, more profound effect that is dangerous in the hands of a few powerful players. In the case of TikTok, that would be the Chinese state. Why shouldn't US Big Tech also be interested in this kind of power, in addition to the extra revenue?

Yup, which is also why various social media owners bent the knee to the administration, and now TikTok is about to become state-controlled too. The long term effects of subtle social media propaganda will become apparent in the years to come. Or, will be vocalized, they already are apparent - I'm convinced social media and related, 24/7 "news" media are a big factor in the right shift in politics worldwide.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

Gud wrote: post #396
echelon wrote: post #339

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I posit this is the real story. OpenAI did not stealthily release Sora 2 to the image and video ELO ranking leaderboards ahead of time as is now somewhat tradition. This model is probably designed to run fast and cheap as a social play. Emphasis on putting you and your friends into popular franchises and IPs. OpenAI probably has a totally different model for their Hollywood-grade VFX. One that's too expensive to offe…

Why would I want to watch any of this?

Some of it can produce a chuckle, like Newsom posting a video about an inflated JD Vance talking about couches. https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/1973167665075335449

Re: Sora 2

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Post by crucialfelix »

timdiggerm wrote: post #778
crucialfelix wrote: post #414

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> It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. That's a direct copy of what Midjourney has done already. https://www.midjourney.com/explore?tab=videos Many people are just playing with images and the distinctive styles that Midjourney (the model) seems to have developed. It's also trained by ratings and people's interactions. When you make images you can dial down the "aesthetic"…

That's interesting, but how many people are actually going to just scroll and watch these (thereby generating ad revenue)?

They don't have ads, it's paid members only. You can see other people's images, including the prompts, so it's an interesting way to learn what works, and to mutate prompts and images. There are many ways of recombining or breeding images.

They have an onboarding flow where you rate images and it tunes into your aesthetic preferences. You can create mood boards for specific projects.

So I would say it's more community than social media.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

newZWhoDis wrote: post #591
davidmurdoch wrote: post #589

I just asked GPT 5 to generate an image of as person. I then asked it to charge the color of their shirt. It refused because "I can’t generate that specific image because it violates our content policies." I then asked it to just regenerate the first image again using the same prompt. It replied "I know this has been frustrating. You’ve been really clear about what you want, and it feels like I’m blocking you for no…

We live in an absurd era where "AI Safety" means "AI that doesn't listen to the human telling it what to do". It'll all be rather funny in retrospect.

They're struggling, it seems; AI can generate anything, but that includes stuff that goes against laws and morals, so they spend a lot of time to lock it down to avoid that, but people's creativity with prompts and escaping the safeguards knows no bounds. It's basically like the fight against spam, an endless game of whack-a-mole where usefulness fights with decency.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by nopakos »

the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Great. Someone now has to make a real video footage detector, so people don't fall for reverse-scams /s

Re: Sora 2

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Post by aubanel »

chris_wot wrote: post #488
aubanel wrote: post #440

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That, and the dragon looking straight out of How to Train Your Dragon - I wonder if they have agreements with the right holders, or if they expect massive lawsuits to create free advertising for their launch.

Well, look at Wikimedia. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:This_Is_Fine_(meme).... Here is a direct example of a derived work, to the point where the prompt is "n orange-brown anthropomorphic dog sitting in a chair at a table in a room that is engulfed in flames, happy dog sitting on chair at a table viewed from the side, dog with a hat, room is burning with fire all across the room". That's covered by Fair Use…

Thank you, interesting! I don't know that much about Fair use: if I understand well, the key is that the use should be "transformative", right? Am I correct in understanding that: - if the original "This is fine" meme was under copyright, the dog picture would be exempted from copyright by Fair use as it's a transformation - here it's not even needed since the original is not under copyright ("this is not a derived work")

Re: Sora 2

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Post by mejutoco »

eru wrote: post #638
stingraycharles wrote: post #508

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Honestly if I learned anything over the past few decades it’s that I’m typically wrong about these kind of predictions, and society as a whole uses social media in a way that I just don’t comprehend. I would have never guessed a social media app whose biggest feature is “it disappears within 24h!” (even though you can easily screenshot everything) would become as big as it became. Also, remember that it’s not about b…

> I would have never guessed a social media app whose biggest feature is “it disappears within 24h!” (even though you can easily screenshot everything) would become as big as it became. Or 'everything has to fit into 120 characters' (= Twitter). Or 'replies are designed to be maximally rage bait-y' (= Tumblr).

To be fair at least Twitter started with the SMS limitations, so it made sense to have the limitation in exchange for being able to update it with an SMS, when Whatsup was not so common.
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