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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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asdefghyk wrote: post #398
LightBug1 wrote: post #276

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This man is definitely not the only one who has come forward. At want point to do you actually take multiple witnesses and believe them? Many aid agencies and other sources on the ground have also verified many of the claims, when journalists can't (considering they've been banned from entering). Are all the aid agencies lying too? And sometimes, just sometimes, in this world of AI now, video evidence is accurate. Th…

How do you know that Hamas is not involved in these cases? You can not. Also a high percentage of the said 50,000 killed would have to be Hamas terrorists. Also, Hamas would be working overtime to make this new way of food distribution to fail. Gaza people would not want to blame Hamas at ALL, since Hamas kills people who criticize them. This has happened in Past In fact it is reported Hamas told Gaza people not to g…

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Post by Zacharias030 »

FabHK wrote: post #447
unwise-exe wrote: post #324

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Israel's response was obvious as soon as the attack happened. "Oh, looks like they've got that excuse they've been wanting."

Why did Israel unilaterally withdrew its military forces from Gaza and dismantled its settlements in 2005? It gave them what they wanted, and look what it got in return. Murderous terrorism.

Why was there a permanent military occupation of Gaza before 2005?

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

rendall wrote: post #130
Ericson2314 wrote: post #102

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That is not how "don't do war crimes" works. It's incumbent upon Israel to find an alternative.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that Israel has decided to starve out Gazans in order to end the war. You have the choice to save them by offering a better solution. What is it? "Not X!" is a copout. Unfortunately for that perspective, finding a good solution means diving in and understanding the conflict from the Israeli perspective.

>> "Not X!" is a copout.

So because it's a copout, let's go and do X which will make it impossible to then do Y and Z that may have been far preferable than X.

That's not a copout, sure, but what is it? I suppose the polite, technical term is "opportunity cost"? Kill tens of thousands of people: ensure you can never make peace with their relatives.

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Post by mandmandam »

fahhem wrote: post #575
mupuff1234 wrote: post #405

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The market value of hoarded food going up only helps Hamas if they are the one managing to do the hoarding - otherwise it actually works against Hamas (if there's another distributor)

Exactly. If Hamas is doing it, it's self-defeating. If Hamas isn't doing it then you're just starving people. Because the point is just starvation, nothing to do with Hamas. BTW, all orgs (other than the lyin' IDF) says Hamas wasn't stealing significant amounts of aid (nowhere near the 10% claimed). Therefore it's clear starvation was the goal, not targeting funding or Hamas at all.

Even the IDF now admits it had no evidence of Hamas systematically stealing aid [0].

Yet the talking point - which attempted to justify genocide and never had a shred of evidence - will linger for years. I still meet people who think Saddam did 9/11, or that Afghanistan was connected.

I still meet many people who don't even know a third tower fell in NYC that day. When news media repeats a talking point that long, or ignores evidence that long, it makes a very deep impression on the type of person who takes things at face value a little too much.

0 - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un...

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Post by saagarjha »

jahewson wrote: post #132
_tbl6 wrote: post #42

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Hamas is a terrorist organisation, the IDF is a state. Of course the state should be held to a higher standard than a terrorist organisation, this is not me excusing what Hamas have done, but if you start justifying a state's actions with "a terrorist organisation has done the same" where does that end? US state actors hijacking and crashing a Russian passenger jet into the Kremlin?

So you don’t recognize the state of Palestine?

Palestine barely has much of anything left. That might change at some point and it would be worth discussing what the actual actions of "the state of Palestine" are but at this point it doesn't really make sense to do that.

Do note that this does not mean it can't or shouldn't be a state. Somalia is self-sovereign even if it's kind of bad at doing that.

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Post by tdeck »

xdennis wrote: post #612
YZF wrote: post #446

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I'll give you my honest opinion here and a criticism of Israeli government all at once. Israel should have moved the Palestinians civilians into Israel proper, e.g. the Negev. It should have created refugee camps for them there and provided them with all the support/aid while it went after Hamas. They'd be able to filter the people going in, make them surrender their weapons etc. No tunnels, no weapons caches, etc. I…

> Israel should have moved the Palestinians civilians into Israel proper, e.g. the Negev. This is so silly. Israel is a tiny country. There are countless huge Muslim countries, none of which want to help Gazans. How many German refugees did the Allies take in WW2?

How many Jewish refugees did the allies take in WW2? This was literally a talking point used by antisemites to demonize Jews (the refugees nobody wanted) in the 1930s. And now the same talking points are being used in the same way by Jewish supremacists (most of whom are Christian by the way) to demonize Palestinians in 2025.

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Post by ivape »

zahlman wrote: post #410
ivape wrote: post #376

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I don't know whether you are being sincere or sarcastic, but either way this is not a productive mode of discourse. If sincere: > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. If sarcastic: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

We don’t need to be so productive on easy problems. Identifying something is genocide is easy. The harder problem is confronting people with the cold hard fact of “hey this is genocide, don’t write long bullshit posts about this”. Then the convo veers, and before you know it, you’re discussing HN rules and shit.

One interesting excuse I hear about slavery in America was that that’s just how life was back then, people didn’t know better. This is not true, as we know for a fact abolitionist knew what right and wrong was during those times. Even if it was only a small percentage of people that knew morality, it’s enough proof that that no American alive at the time lacked the human capacity to perceive it.

This is still true today. We know what’s going on here morally, and as a collective whole (8 billion people), we are collectively responsible. The moral standard does not change. It was wrong to murder people 2000 years ago, it was wrong to enslave people 2000 years ago, and all of that is still wrong today. Honest people knew it then, and honest people know it today.

No bullshit, please. Right and wrong is never a morally nebulous problem, it’s just an utterly strict standard to adhere to. It never changes. It’s an understated reason why many have no fear of God or have abandoned the concept entirely, not just because there’s no proof, but because even if there was, what a fucking moral standard to live up to (quite hard for humanity since the beginning of time).

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Post by sc970 »

buyucu wrote: post #758
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #751

I don't really understand how this conflict has been dragged out for so long. It seems like with all the external global support, it should be possible to bring enough world leaders together to hammer out a peace treaty. Current strategies of applying external pressure and protesting appear to be largely ineffective. There's so many people who wield immense power and wealth, but they seem unwilling to take direct act…

Israel will not be satisfied with anything less than the complete eradication of the Palestinian people. It is hard to make peace when one side is hell-bent on mass murder.

"It is hard to make peace when one side is hell-bent on mass murder."

Is this referring to the Hamas Charter? Suspect it is a typo and you meant to say both sides.

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

6yyyyyy wrote: post #621
orbisvicis wrote: post #433

What's everyone's thoughts on the GHF? They're the only way that food officially enters Gaza. IDF is not supposed to be immediately present at the distribution sites, and yet are shooting civilians. As are contractors hired by GHF. In fact there are cases of nationals joining IDF for the explicit purpose of shooting civilians, seemingly. There are movements to disband the GHF, but how else would Gazans eat?

The ideal answer is the UN sends in peacekeeping forces to kick out the IDF. That won't happen due to the USA. So in practice the answer to "How will the Gazans eat?" is "They won't."

If the UN sent in peacekeepers the IDF would use them for target practice. It would be a total bloodbath.

Leaving aside the horror of the thought, the only way to stop Israel's assault on Gaza with a military force is to summon one more powerful than the IDF. There are only a few nations in the world that have a military that could take on the IDF - the US, Russia, China, I'm not sure who else. None of those countries are even remotely likely to invade Israel to stop the IDF from massacring the Palestinians. Why would they? What would be in it for them?

Even in WWII, Germany was not invaded to save the Jews from the Holocaust. That was a fortunate and welcome side-effect. But if the Nazis hadn't also invaded all their neighbours, and the Soviet Union, they could have well gone on and exterminated all the Jews in Europe unimpeded.

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Post by Zacharias030 »

gadders wrote: post #723
throw310822 wrote: post #717

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You mean reacting with war crimes, crimes against humanity, attempted genocide? This without even mentioning the fact that, given Israel's ongoing illegal occupation of Palestine, a military attack to Israel was entirely justified.

After 9/11, the US invaded 2 countries, one of which wasn't even involved. And honestly, if it had been my daughter raped and killed at a music festival, I'd have done worse.

The US actions after 9/11 have been established as a terrible example harming the US itself to the utmost.

Both the US and Israel would have been better off not reacting at all than this.

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