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Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by moffkalast »

esskay wrote: post #731
moffkalast wrote: post #654

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What makes Brave trustworthy enough for us to run our entire life through it? For me it's irreparably forever tainted by crypto grifting.

The 'crypto grifting' is something you can turn off completely, it's there as a way to make the browser sustainable without accepting payments from Google to make it the default search engine. I'd argue its far more trustworthy than modern day Firefox/Mozilla, they're not exactly the second coming these days. What makes Firefox more trustworthy?

That's kind of like saying "yeah this is a mafia pizzeria but you can come eat at hours when the goons aren't there". Besides, why does Brave need that much funding? All they make is a Chromium wrapper, Google does all the work for them. They're not really an actual alternative in that sense, they just stuff it full of adblock, crypto, and god knows what. There was even a thing recently where it autoinstalled a VPN.

Yeah it's true that Mozilla's mostly financed from Google's anti-antitrust payments, but at least they actually made something of their own and have a trustworthy track record three decades long as a non-profit and Netscape before that.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by js4ever »

quacksilver wrote: post #403
azangru wrote: post #330

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> instead of learning Web standards, rather ships Chrome alongside their application I am confused. - The "shipping Chrome alongside their application" part seems to refer to Electron; but Electron is hardly guilty of what is described in the article. - The "learning web standards" bit seems to impune web developers; but how are they guilty of the Chrome monopoly? If anything, they are guilty of shipping react apps i…

Devs, particularly those with pressure to ship or who don't know better, unfortunately see 'it works in Chrome' as 'it works', even if it is a quirk of Chrome that causes it to work, or if they use Chrome related hacks that break compatibility with other browsers to get it to work in Chrome. - Sometimes the standards don't define some exact behavior and it is left for the browser implementer to come up with. Chrome i…

No, Safari is the new IE, nothing works on it, it's full of bugs and Apple is actively preventing web standards to move on. Do you remember how much Apple prevented web apps to be a thing by blocking web push, and breaking most things if run in PWA mode?

Apple are by far the worst offender and I can't wait for Safari to die

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by bornfreddy »

Filligree wrote: post #699
bborud wrote: post #592

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So why do people choose Chrome? (I use chrome, but I am unable to articulate why. Surely some of you know why you use Chrome :-))

Because, last time I tried it, Firefox decided to force Pocket integration and I accidentally uploaded some of my bookmarks. Also performance, but the behaviour of Mozilla is the main reason I keep away.

Pocket - fair enough (though Google probably uploads all it can). But performance? No way. Unless you are talking about Google properties which are specifically un-optimized for Firefox, in which case I don't think it is Firefox you should avoid.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by echelon »

orwin wrote: post #655
worik wrote: post #352

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Yes to everything except the first statement: > The answer is antitrust. Anti-trust is crucial to make the capitalist economy work prperly, I agree But another answer is "Firefox"

> Anti-trust is crucial to make the capitalist economy work prperly No it isn't. If you want your capitalism to be liberal, you need antitrust, true. If you only want capitalism, and don't really care about the 'liberty' part, you can check the mercantile capitalism of old. It worked quite well for people with power.

Capitalism is a great model that results in evolutionary pressures for the efficient development of goods and services.

One failure mode of unchecked and unregulated capitalism is the establishment of monopolies that can starve oxygen from the rest of the ecosystem.

In order to have maximally efficient and broadly beneficial capitalism, you need strong anti-trust mechanisms to reoxygenate the environment for new competition. Regular enforcement also means that labor and investment capital reap the most rewards instead of calcified, legacy incumbents.

Companies need to be constantly fighting to survive. If they're sitting comfortable and growing without controls, something went wrong and the rest of the fitness landscape is being distorted by an invasive species.

Antitrust Regulation is incredibly pro-market and pro-competition.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by bergfest »

JimDabell wrote: post #632
paulryanrogers wrote: post #393

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> how is Chrome incompatible with web standards? It is one of the best implementer of them. They have so much market share that they control the standards bodies. The tail wags the dog.

This is not true yet, but it’s getting close. The pattern is this: - Google publishes a specification. - They raise request for feedback from the Mozilla and WebKit teams. - Mozilla and WebKit find security and privacy problems. - Google deploys their implementation anyway. - This functionality gets listed on sites like whatpwacando.today - Web developers complain about Safari being behind and accuse Apple of holding…

Why not forbid them to ship any non-standard feature in their pre-installed default build of Chrome? Experimental features could be made available in a developer build, that would have to be manually installed in a non-obvious way, so that they cannot gain traction before standardization.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by doctorpangloss »

aziaziazi wrote: post #606
breve wrote: post #159

The best bypass is to use Firefox. uBlock Origin works best in Firefox: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

I can’t help seeing ad blockers as fairless content consumption, like choosing to download films, musics and books without paying the creator and the distributor (VOD, MOD, concerts, libraries…). Sounds great for you but how would that work if everyone would do the same? Although we all be happy to se more competition, using an ad blocker on Google sites (and G-add financed-sites) have no positive effect for the comp…

Most people are not thinking deeply about the nuances. But it seems fair: Google take away thing, for fake reason, Google bad.

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Post by ivanjermakov »

zulban wrote: post #361

I don't "bypass" Chrome when they want to melt my brain with their business model, I use Firefox. I don't "bypass" Windows when they want to melt my brain with their business model, I use Linux. No idea why so many "hackers" doing "bypasses" can't instead take action that is simpler, long lasting, and easier. Do people need to jerked around 50 times for 20 years before realizing it will keep happening and their "bypa…

> No idea why so many "hackers" doing "bypasses" can't instead take action that is simpler

Because hacking is about solving hard and unnecessary problems

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by bornfreddy »

mirekrusin wrote: post #279
tmnvix wrote: post #186

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> I really don't understand why anyone not on a mac or iphone isn't using Firefox I'm on a mac and happily use Firefox. Have done for over a decade. It would take a lot to encourage me to move to a proprietary browser (Edge, Chrome, Safari). Maybe I'm out of touch, but the attachment to Chrome that some people seem to have (despite the outright privacy abuse) is baffling to me. I mean, ffs, are a couple of minor UI c…

They just don’t know. If you show them internet without ads they are amazed that something like that is possible.

That might be true for normal users, but there are many developers who still use Chrome or its derivates in 2025. What excuse do they have?

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Post by srcreigh »

js4ever wrote: post #782
quacksilver wrote: post #403

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Devs, particularly those with pressure to ship or who don't know better, unfortunately see 'it works in Chrome' as 'it works', even if it is a quirk of Chrome that causes it to work, or if they use Chrome related hacks that break compatibility with other browsers to get it to work in Chrome. - Sometimes the standards don't define some exact behavior and it is left for the browser implementer to come up with. Chrome i…

No, Safari is the new IE, nothing works on it, it's full of bugs and Apple is actively preventing web standards to move on. Do you remember how much Apple prevented web apps to be a thing by blocking web push, and breaking most things if run in PWA mode? Apple are by far the worst offender and I can't wait for Safari to die

It’s death by a million papercuts with safari.

I made a reader app for learning languages. Wiktionary has audio for a word. Playing the file over web URL works fine, but when I add caching to play from cached audio blob, safari sometimes delays the audio by 0.5-15 seconds. Works fine on every other browser.

It’s infuriating and it can’t be unintentional.

Re: Bypassing Google's big anti-adblock update

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Post by moffkalast »

pixxel wrote: post #725
moffkalast wrote: post #654

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What makes Brave trustworthy enough for us to run our entire life through it? For me it's irreparably forever tainted by crypto grifting.

Your favourite corporations commit all sorts of crimes (ethical and actual). But let’s remember that questionable thing Brave did for eternity.

Non-profits get a tiny bit more leeway in my book. Brave is not one of them.
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