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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by ttctciyf »

kristopolous wrote: post #516
kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

Ah yes, this is how we will be competitive - defunding universities, deporting the best and brightest, dismantling education, and cutting off trade. I mean seriously, if a malicious saboteur was running things, what would the differences be?

> seriously, if a malicious saboteur was running things, what would the differences be?

Less obvious corruption.

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Post by alephnerd »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #761
alephnerd wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. Harvard and Yale didn't hire the right lobbyists [0][1][2] The other universities like Dartmouth, MIT, and public university systems did. One of the side effect of being large endowment private universities meant Harvard and Yale remained extremely insular and concentrated on donor relations over government…

>And because Harvard has a lot of HNW alumni, they always try to meddle in some shape or form - Wen Jiabao's best friend funds the Fairbank Center, Kraft funds and hosts events at Chabad, some al Saud branches fund a couple Islamic clubs, a bunch of alt-right leaning Catholic traditionalists fund the Abigail Adams Institute, etc. It's just inter-elite fratricide at this point because no one truly gives a poo about Ha…

When elephants fight, it's the grass that gets trampled.

Harvard plays a significant role multiple fields of study (from social science to humanities to hard sciences), and a significant portion of their grad students are affected by the SEVP revocation.

Furthermore, a number of fields just don't have that many domestic graduate students because the domestic pipeline for a number of fields such as Distributed Systems is almost non-existent, and students often get poached with just a bachelors for industry. Not bad for students, but applied research or part-time industrial PhDs don't exist in the US.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by alephnerd »

daedrdev wrote: post #261
paxys wrote: post #69

Harvard as an institution is older than the USA. It will survive 4 years of a lunatic's presidency.

This is quite literally the appeal to tradition or inertia fallacy. Just because they've been around for a while does not mean they are not facing an existential threat. Every structure humans create will one day collapse. This certainly looks difficult for Harvard and could be their end because there is no divine protection, only the decision that will be made by an extremely conservative Supreme Court and the willi…

Tsinghua survived the Cultural Revolution. DU survived the Emergency. Cal survived Nixon. Harvard will survive this

That said, I personally believe Harvard's public reputation is significantly overstated - Stanford has become the new Harvard for at least 2 decades now.

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Post by computerthings »

goatlover wrote: post #427
kochb wrote: post #20

Don’t miss this bit. Currently enrolled students are going to need to find a new university. > In a news release, the Department of Homeland Security sent a stark message to Harvard’s international students: “This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students, and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.”

I don't get how DHS has control over what universities foreign students can attend. Either than can attend school in the US or not. Saying they have to transfer from Harvard to another American university is total abuse of power. Surely there are lawsuits in the works over this.

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Post by HKH2 »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #601
redcobra762 wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe he could care less, but doesn't even bother to care less because caring less would exert effort and he doesn't care enough to exert any effort.

Own the grammar mistake, my dude :)

It's not a grammar mistake. It's faulty logic.

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Post by rawgabbit »

trealira wrote: post #695
spacemadness wrote: post #688

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we say "fascism" out loud yet or are moderates still pretending everything is fine?

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Trump won because those in control of the Democratic Party underestimated the anger and economic desperation of the working class.

They can’t afford rent or groceries. Medical and dental care are a distant dream. If the Democrats only messaging is DEI, inclusivity and girl/woman power… they view the Democrats as out of touch. It is the equivalent of Let Them Eat Cake or brioche.

And I do believe in DEI, inclusivity and women’s rights. But if the working class are struggling, it is tragically comic not to address their primary concerns first.

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Post by rsynnott »

dudinax wrote: post #114
kitsune_ wrote: post #11

Insane how freely the US is giving away its status as a brain drain magnet (context: I'm European).

Has there ever been an empire that committed suicide at the height of power?

Lots of them, though it's usually through unwinnable wars. See Kaiser Willhelm II, Napoleon, Imperial Japan, etc.

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Post by ringeryless »

homefree wrote: post #438
xhkkffbf wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend is a big Harvard alum. He says that most of his classmates are very unhappy with the direction of the university. So in his circle the alumni may be cheering this on. Maybe not the extremism but the general idea of telling Harvard that it needs to get back to truth-seeking.

Yeah this is also my read, people are horrified by the university behavior and generally supportive of the administration on this stuff. The 'elite' schools are becoming a counter signal it'll be embarrassing to have attended.

and that last phrase is worthy of chairman mao. anti elitism rapidly turns into anti competence.

in which circles would one be embarrassed to have attended Harvard?

the notion of foisting your narrow-minded vision of reality on 300 million people is sickening.

that is the totalitarianism our forebears fought 2 world wars and a cold war over.

your thinking is worthy of stalin ot mao.

shame be upon such a sorry excuse for thought

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Post by southernplaces7 »

marktangotango wrote: post #193
intermerda wrote: post #129

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I used to think that the Republican officials just put on a mask and perform kabuki for their Dear Leader. But the signalgate texts proved otherwise. This kind of thinking has penetrated deep into the party. It's not going away. Not with Vance.

The influence and dominance of conservative media is striking. They have sane-washed and explained away things that would have ended 10 other politicians careers. Trump is Asimovs "mule". His appeal to large groups of people is inexplicable. Vance is certainly NOT that. It's open question how much success the Mule's successor would have. Surely momentum and conservative media will carry him far (should that come to p…

A curious thing about the very article you linked to is how it proved to be so wrong about this:

"Trump, on the other hand, is so anomalous a figure that the GOP establishment can console themselves with the knowledge that he leads no faction. Even if he wins the nomination, Trump can be safely relegated to the category of a one-off, a freak mutation, never to be repeated. "

Now that he's in a second term whose winding course to fruition just about nobody could have easily predicted in early 2016, and totally dominates the Republican party, its base and most of its thinking, the above seems laughable.

Trump looks less like "The Mule" than ever today and even if he can't be replaced by anyone quite like him, he's put into motion normalizations of deviance that will reverberate through US politics for many years after he's out, either legally or through natural causes.

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