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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by squarefoot »

phpisthebest wrote: post #644
squarefoot wrote: post #593

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Then make it a contact that can be opened by removing a screw behind a "non reversible loss of warranty" sticker so that only users who know what they're doing would be motivated to proceed.

>>removing a screw behind a "non reversible loss of warranty" sticker Well that would be in violation of existing US Federal Law

I'm not familiar with those laws, do you mean the protection screw or the loss of warranty? I think many devices implement the latter in their EULAs, in case of tampering, use of non original parts etc, and the former as a protection is commonly used for example in some Chromebox PCs models to prevent flashing other operating systems. I think many tinkerers, including myself, would be more than happy to surrender any warranty, support, etc, if that was the only price to pay to be able to install what we want on our devices.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by lelanthran »

tpmoney wrote: post #775
lelanthran wrote: post #672

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> By law you can't install your own software or ECU in your car and use it legally on the roads. Who told you this? As long as the ECU you install meet the requirements, feel free. There's even a few open source ones. See https://megasquirt.info/ You are displaying the problem with allowing Apple special exemption to flout the rules - eventually people start believing that it must be against the law ... just like you…

I am well aware of the megasquirt project and others like speeduino. The existence and popularity of that product no more speaks to its legality anymore than the existence and popularity of illegal drugs speaks to theirs. Federal law prohibits tampering with any part of your vehicles emissions control systems, which includes the ECU and any aftermarket parts must comply to all relevant epa standards and almost always…

So, according to your argument, which you've stated twice now[1], it's okay for regulation of consumer devices.

Once again, I have to ask, why do you feel that phones should be exempt from regulation?

> Additionally megaquirt themselves repeatedly remind you their products are not legal for road use [2]:

Yeah, but they're perfectly legal for owners of the cars to use, as long as they stay on the track. You're arguing for not modifying the device at all, regardless of where it is going to be used.

[1] Thanks, by the way. It's awfully hard to get iPhone supporters to agree that regulation is a good thing once, nevermind twice.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by juve1996 »

wbkang wrote: post #256
juve1996 wrote: post #234

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How can Apple have "too much power" here, when there is a clear alternative where it is cheaper?

It's not a "clear alternative" when Apple doesn't even allow you to mention that. There are other reasonable alternatives such as letting developers mention the alternative payment methods as long as they explain what the benefits of Apple payment ecosystem. I read a lot of people writing comments like "I prefer to go through Apple because of the ease of unsubscription." If the benefits are so clear, why are develope…

Android is a very real and clear alternative. Android dominates market share. How you can say there isn't a clear alternative, I don't know.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

RHSeeger wrote: post #779
koenvdb wrote: post #710

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To be fair, most people using an iPhone don't download music onto their phones but instead just use Spotify/Apple Music/whatever other music service is hot at the moment. It still sucks, but this is a fairly specific usecase imo.

For anyone that isn't on an unlimited data plan, being able to play music located on the device is critical.

All of the major streaming apps let you download songs for offline playback

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Post by bamboozled »

shever73 wrote: post #569
bamboozled wrote: post #437

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Exactly the same sentiment for me. I use both devices and I couldn't be more happy with the freedom this allows me. I own everything about the critical devices I work on, Linux. I have a magical device which "just works" in my Apple products. If someone breaks this, I'll be sad.

The "it just works" argument is what keeps me using an iPhone, even though my computers and servers all run Linux. Years ago, I replaced my trusty Nokia 6310 with an O2 XDA phone. It ran Windows CE, routinely crashed or froze and would be unable to make or receive calls. Since then, I've always wanted a phone that just works. The iPhone is the nearest thing to that for me.

I "rooted" my Android once, it was a nightmare. Never doing that again...on my primary phone at least.

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #767
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I don't think anyone is going to be cloning Netflix or Fortnite. Not just because it's hard, but also because they'd get sued out of existence.

I don't think netflix or fortnite would force you to use a third party app. Too much negative press and loss of customers.

Epic games has done exactly that with Fortnite on Android, which is only available in the Epic Store or Samsung Galaxy Store.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by bamboozled »

stale2002 wrote: post #716
bamboozled wrote: post #429

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Cool, so break one of the only stable, reliable, useful and mostly secure devices people have in their life by "forcing" a company to do things against their will? Why not just throw our the US government and install the CCP too? We did it for the railway monopolies a century ago, and we can do it again, by updating our anti trust laws to new era. There are very few places in the world with good trains, unless you're…

> so break one of the only stable, reliable, useful No, people would be free to use the Apple App store if they want. Apple simply wouldn't be able force the world to pay them 30% of everything anymore. Theyd have to compete on their merits, and people would now have full ownership of their own phone. > The trains suck and I hope my devices don't go the same way. So, what, you just support the railway monopoly and op…

> Imagine if every computer in the world, you could only use internet explorer, and they forced you to pay them 30%, and use IE.

Absolutely nothing like this is happening though, so what's your point? I run Firefox on my iPhone, it's free?

> But let's try a different example, since apparently you support the railway monopoly.

I don't support the railway monopoly you're putting words in my mouth. I'm saying that breaking it up did nothing really useful. Shit trains still exist.

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Post by moogly »

bayindirh wrote: post #427
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

> all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved

This is a bit funny to me. I'll give you the homogeneity argument, but as for the rest, as someone who has owned both iPhone and Android since 2008 or so, it took Apple a long, long time to catch up to Android in the backup/update department. Remember having to do everything via iTunes? I remember.

Now, they're essentially the same in that regard.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by satvikpendem »

scarface74 wrote: post #551
satvikpendem wrote: post #205

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The same PWAs which Apple restricts on iOS because they know it would cut into their App Store cashflow? If it were an equal market, I'd agree with you, but the OS makers also make and prioritize their own application stores too, so of course they'd want to cut down other competitive avenues.

I keep hearing this very bad excuse. If that’s the only reason that developers make iOS apps, where are the developers who are making iOS apps and just telling Android users to go to the web?

How is it a "bad excuse?" it's literally true that Apple hobble PWAs compared to other platforms.

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Post by jonathankoren »

scarface74 wrote: post #547
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I’m old enough to remember the Microsoft monopoly. 2022 Apple isn’t like that at all. Back in the 90s, telling someone to just buy a Mac, was a joke. No one had macs, besides schools, but even those went away. Apps simply didn’t exist on Mac. Files couldn’t even be transferred between machines because the floppies were formatted differently. To not use a windows PC, was an actual burden. Now let’s compare to 2022 App…

Files were able to be exchanged between Macs and Windows PCs as far back as 1990. The Mac came with an extension to read DOS formatted disk.

Technically correct, but no one had these things
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