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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by EvanAnderson »

xenospn wrote: post #382
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

Your iDevice being jailbroken makes my iDevice less secure.

The vulnerabilities in Apple’s code that jailbreaks exploit make your iOS device less secure.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by saiya-jin »

bayindirh wrote: post #596
saiya-jin wrote: post #578

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Why is here consistently in any Apple discussion exactly this reaction? Locked down is good for you, you don't want freedom, we know better. On hacker forum. Seriously, basically any other topic we can discuss like adults here but when it comes to Apple and their restrictions/bad behavior it feels like the most upvoted posts are paid ones (not stating they are, but it certainly would look like that on more generic fo…

> Why is here consistently in any Apple discussion exactly this reaction? Because the only mobile OS provider which allows blinding tracking frameworks with a single click is Apple currently, and every software vendor will want its telemetry and ads for their "monies". The application model evolved from "pay this to get that" to "train this AI implicitly which we gonna use against you, and ah, we also sell your every…

If you mean browsing web, the freedom I talk about allows you on Android to install Firefox and ublock origin (and other plugins), which is more privacy friendly solution in-the-box than Apple will ever allow to be installed on any Apple device. If you mean apps installed its your choice what you put on your device.

Lets not forget the stuff you (and most of us) so loathe is direction Apple is actively heading for few years via their own ad-space. Truly surreal discussion.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by phpisthebest »

squarefoot wrote: post #593
eecc wrote: post #538

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> Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? Next thing that would happen is that every major "can't miss out" app will walk its users through the process to disable safe management features, all to fulfill the promise of showing cute cat gifs. You know that's how it is.

Then make it a contact that can be opened by removing a screw behind a "non reversible loss of warranty" sticker so that only users who know what they're doing would be motivated to proceed.

>>removing a screw behind a "non reversible loss of warranty" sticker

Well that would be in violation of existing US Federal Law

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by MrScruff »

motoxpro wrote: post #587
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #561

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>People put all of their digital lives into these devices. I really don’t want iPhones to be as a open as a Mac! Maybe users should be more mindful and more educated on the pros and cons of dumping their entire private lives in the devices they don't control and are instead controlled by publicly listed trillion dollar corporations who's sole purpose is revenue growth and shareholder ROI. Just a thought.

I don't like this argument. It's like saying everyone should be a race car driver because they drive to the grocery store. Tech for most people is like the sidewalk, it's just a means to an end. Also, the more control you have, the more dangerous the device. i.e. a race car. An iPhone is a Honda Civic and I hope it stays that way.

Yes exactly. If I thought Apple was trying to lock down the Mac in the same way, or shift away from the Mac I'd feel differently. But I see no evidence of that. I'm quite happy for my phone to remain an appliance.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by piva00 »

Dah00n wrote: post #623
scarface74 wrote: post #542

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So should we also stop console makers from having first party games? Stop stores from selling store brands?

Whataboutism doesn't solve anything. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. Etc.

Not only whataboutism but also broken analogies. I can't think of a proper analogy to the market power that Apple holds by having the whole platform coupled with devices that people don't have that many other choices (Android vs iOS, that's basically it). I can always try to twist the analogy to bring it closer to the actual reality of the issue at hand but it's always an uphill battle to dismember it and re-create the analogy more similarly to what's actually the problem.

Sometimes I wonder if it's really other's ignorance about the reductionist analogy being broken or if they're maliciously using it to misrepresent the point made.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by mgsk »

maccard wrote: post #543
flohofwoe wrote: post #507

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Nothing of this would change if iPhones had a simple 'unlock' setting with an 'at your own risk' disclaimer. People who are happy with the default just keep the phone locked, others can trade Apple's "warm embrace" against the freedom to install any software they want on their own device. Tech companies really should stop treating their users like idiots who can't think for themselves. It's all about the sweet app st…

Sure it would - apps with enough clout will do this: https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/mobile/android And tell you the only way for experience X is to follow these safe steps to unlock your phone and use their launcher.

And if you don't like it, don't do it.

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Post by flohofwoe »

maccard wrote: post #543
flohofwoe wrote: post #507

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Nothing of this would change if iPhones had a simple 'unlock' setting with an 'at your own risk' disclaimer. People who are happy with the default just keep the phone locked, others can trade Apple's "warm embrace" against the freedom to install any software they want on their own device. Tech companies really should stop treating their users like idiots who can't think for themselves. It's all about the sweet app st…

Sure it would - apps with enough clout will do this: https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/mobile/android And tell you the only way for experience X is to follow these safe steps to unlock your phone and use their launcher.

...and there's really nothing wrong with that. If it would, then PC gaming would have collapsed a long time ago.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by blunderkid »

If ever there was a valid application of monopoly abuse laws, it is Apple's extortion for no value provided. Saying that as a blue blooded iFan who owns one of nearly every Apple product and service out there including the Apple Cloth. It is disgusting what Apple is doing. And it makes no sense that it is getting away with it. And if Google is doing the same, well then both need to be set right.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by sho_hn »

geraldwhen wrote: post #624
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #607

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We don't have to guess. Android app store is clear example that gives power users choice, while at the same time being able to hold onto most of the users.

The Google play store is heavily censored and moderated and most users don’t know about side loading.

A sibling argument is saying that if side-loading were opt in, major apps would move to require it from users.

This has never happened on Android.

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