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How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Post by Dracophoenix »

cloudfifty wrote: post #747
beerandt wrote: post #718

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Private property rights, or being manifestly in control of the fruits of ones labor. Or the exact opposite of slavery.

How does "this land is mine now, you can work on it to feed yourself" translate somehow into the opposite of slavery?

It's more like "this land is mine now, we can work out a deal where you tend to it in exchange for an agreed upon cut".

Your original categorization is apt in describing how property taxes and the USDA farm subsidies work, but not free enterprise.

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Post by pphysch »

BEEdwards wrote: post #726
busymom0 wrote: post #662

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I am brown and I can’t believe what the western countries are doing with going back to racial segregation days. Instead of teaching everyone to work hard snd accomplish hard things, they are being taught that they can’t achieve hard things because the boogeyman is stopping them. Victimhood doesn’t help kids. Even the most successful black and brown people like Lebron James who achieved what they did via working hard…

Got it, acknowledging that racism exists is the same as racism... I mean it's not like people with ethnic names have to whiten them to get job opportunities. https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes... or home appraisals double when someone conceals their race https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/998536881/a-black-woman-says-... Nope, pointing it out is the racism, let's just not discuss it.

Racism and actual crime gets conflated, and that is a major problem within America.

If someone is the victim of a crime, it should not matter whether that crime was racially-motivated or not. Serve justice, full stop. Don't feed into racial realism.

Things get really bad when it gets twisted to the point of "who cares about this particular crime, RACISM is the problem!" This leads to injustice because focus is shifted from the real crime to an abstract ideological debate. And it happens all the time.

Racism is a problem when it obstructs justice, whether it's Jim Crow laws that are literally racist, or "woke" media grifting that muddies the water with race realism.

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Post by everdrive »

jensensbutton wrote: post #660
angelzen wrote: post #561

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Ibram X. Kendi: Any disparity in group outcomes is proof of a deeply flawed and malicious system. The darling of American academia and corporate. You can either have equality of opportunity and accept that the outcomes will be disparate, or have equality of (group) outcome. You can't have both. Your friends have not thought through the consequences of the current dominant ideology. > 'When I See Racial Disparities, I…

Ibram X. Kendi is one person. You can find individuals who espouse any view you want. The question is are there any large groups actually pushing for this. Though the parent didn't, I would s/large/mainstream/ because the internet makes it easy to find large groups of people talking about any old topic.

This goes in both directions, though, and it's a problem with modern internet-fueled politics and discourse. No one truly speaks for a group in many cases, but nonetheless a group can be seen to have a certain character and set of values. Surely amorphous groups cannot be beyond criticism?

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Post by verall »

zzzeek wrote: post #743
zpeti wrote: post #694

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The ACLU supported the rights of neo nazis to protest in a Jewish neighborhood. While not strictly a libertarian organisation, that is exactly the attitude. And libertarians would support that too. The rights of others to be free just like myself. It’s not selfish in any way. And you should read up about why the aclu did this, they say some very relevant things to today.

Assuming I were part of an identity group such as Judaism, this would mean parades of people who want to murder me and my family being welcome outside my door to shout for hours of their intent, with no possibility of relief. sign me up for libertarianism!

They would also be allowed to brandish long rifles, as long as they don't actually use them.

Nice neighborhood y'all have here, eh? It'd be a real shame if crime went up around here...

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Post by colinmhayes »

forgingahead wrote: post #778
colinmhayes wrote: post #714

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I went to a decently progressive elementary school, and the kids were absolutely racist by second grade. It'd be nice if we could just ignore race, but that's not reality yet.

Perhaps their racism was a result of "progressive" schools and parents of kids in those schools seeing everything through a lens of race or other identity markers?

I'm pretty sure it was because kids are assholes. And because it's easy to pick on outsiders. The class had 20 white kids and 3 black ones, obviously they're going to be singled out by the 7 year olds.

Anyway, this was before progressive meant seeing everything through the lens of race, so it definitely wasn't that.

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Post by GiorgioG »

What exactly is the goal of the 'woke' as it pertains to race or gender? If success to them looks like an equal number of white/black/asian/women it's an unreachable goal. According to the 2020 census: 57.8% of Americans are white, 16.3% are hispanic, 12.2% are black, and 5.9% are asian. It seems as plain as day that even if we could remove racism from the equation, it's more likely that whites will make up more share than others. As far as women in tech for example, yes there are very few of them. But is that because we discourage girls from getting into tech or simply because they, as a group naturally gravitate towards other kind of work? Nobody complains that there are too few men in nursing or too many women in nursing (my wife is in a nursing program and it is dominated by female students.) As of 2010, 14.4% of active duty US military personnel are women, 30% are minorities. What exactly is their definition of 'success'? In my mind it's equality of opportunity. I don't care what color your skin is or what gender you are - are you the best candidate from a 'doing the work' perspective. To me that should be the goal.

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Post by ModernMech »

pugz wrote: post #407
eweise wrote: post #117

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My last job we were all highly encouraged by the CEO to add our preferred pronouns to our profiles. Just another reason I left.

Us too. I found it super useful because I have lots of Chinese coworkers and I have no idea whether to use “he” or “she” based on their name. Edit: I didn’t see the last bit. Why did it factor into leaving? Were they aggressive about it or something?

As a teacher, I face the same situation. My roster says “Christine” but the student sets their name to “Chris” in the CMS and has traditionally masculine features, dress, and haircut. Do I go with “he” or “she”? Best to get pronouns out of the way during an introduction and dissipate the awkwardness.

Sometimes I wonder if people who have the biggest issue with displaying pronouns don’t meet a lot of new people, especially new trans people. Displaying pronouns makes the process so much easier and less awkward!

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Post by [deleted] »

jensensbutton wrote: post #660
angelzen wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ibram X. Kendi: Any disparity in group outcomes is proof of a deeply flawed and malicious system. The darling of American academia and corporate. You can either have equality of opportunity and accept that the outcomes will be disparate, or have equality of (group) outcome. You can't have both. Your friends have not thought through the consequences of the current dominant ideology. > 'When I See Racial Disparities, I…

Ibram X. Kendi is one person. You can find individuals who espouse any view you want. The question is are there any large groups actually pushing for this. Though the parent didn't, I would s/large/mainstream/ because the internet makes it easy to find large groups of people talking about any old topic.

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Post by refenestrator »

darksaints wrote: post #691
refenestrator wrote: post #618

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I can only correct this so many times, so here's my drop into the ocean on this thread: The paradox of tolerance is that if you're too tolerant to nazis, they might take over everything and you wind up with less tolerance. It is NOT a get out of jail free card for "you don't have to be tolerant to people that you label as intolerant, in fact terminate them with prejudice". You need a credible threat of the 'bad peopl…

We live in a democratic society. Intolerant ideas, held en masse, have a way of becoming laws. It is worth fighting them, even if they're not wearing swastikas.

Most of the people who lost jobs and such from cancelations were center-left, politically.
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