It is very funny to see tile and prepear on the list. Can their intentions be any more clearer?
Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
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> The iPhone is not a modular unit that can be tampered with at all, but despite even being a software developer, I do not actually care about my phone being modular. I want it to work and I want it to work well across the entire platform. I'm precisely in this boat. I enjoy playing with electronics, but I want my microwave to just work. I also enjoy fiddling around with PCs with total freedom, but I want my phone to…
I am also a developer, I love tinkering, but my router and especially my phone, I want it to just work. I need my phone, if I could tinker with my phone it would be broken half the time!
Haha yes, I used to do all the WRT54G stuff and tended to have bugs and an overheated router. I also used to tinker a bunch with jailbroken iPhones and rooted Android phones. I'll never have anything against that, but now I personally want an option that just works!
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#783I get that Epic and Spotify may want to create their own "stores". I don't understand what kind of store Tinder would want to create - or perhaps I do ;)
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> Device freedom is a must. Any device should be completely controllable by the end user. I have the choice of buying a completely controllable android device if I want to install mystery apps willy-nilly. I'm not interested in that, and there are millions like me. I want a locked-down device that keeps developers in check. This situation is much like the browser nightmares of the past, where Firefox users complained…
So, let’s apply this same logic to accessibility. Let’s say the government says “devices must have voice over functionality”. Ok, great. Apple puts that as an option, and we’re done. The same applies for if the government said “you have a right to install apps of your choice”. Apple adds a setting in the settings menu. You still get your locked down device by default, and much like blind people, people who care about…
> The same applies for if the government said “you have a right to install apps of your choice”.
I don't like the idea that the government can force you to build things you don't want to build. If I don't want to build a general purpose computing device, why should the government be able to force me to?
There's a compelling argument for requiring building in handicapped-accessible features, but that is relevant to the equal protection clause of the constitution. There's no implied constitutional right to general-purpose computing.
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What does it matter? They're fighting for something that benefits everybody (except Apple) now.
There is no evidence that what they are fighting for would benefit anyone other than a small group of already rich companies.
There is plenty of evidence from Android that it would benefit both users and developers.
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Android is already both more developer friendly and more consumer friendly than iOS despite not having full automatic update support for third party app stores. If that were in place, it would be even better.
This is clearly not true. If it were, developers and consumers would prioritize Android.
As a developer and a user, I do prioritize Android.
People don't buy luxury jeans because they are better jeans than Levi's. People buy luxury jeans because of marketing. The same applies here. Consider how many people in the HN comments say they like iPhone because of privacy even though it is so clearly worse for privacy (can't install an app on your device without telling Apple, can't get your GPS location without telling Apple, etc.).
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>While I would even argue for openness there but you are comparing a specific use platform to a general computing platform. I don't understand the distinction you are trying to make. How is iOS fundamentally different from the Xbox OS? Microsoft owns the OS and the hardware. Microsoft have several variants of the Xbox hardware for sale, and have a complete monopoly on digital game distribution through their OS. >Appl…
> How is iOS fundamentally different from the Xbox OS? If I have to explain in brief, because the intended use for it is to be a multipurpose OS just how Windows/OS X were. Xbox OS is about games and media streaming, while iOS/Android in addition to what Xbox OS does are about image editing, word processing, managing email, browsing web and much more. They are the spiritual successors to the laptop/desktop OSs. Platf…
> Even 14% worldwide is significant enough for me to ask for regulation
Lmao.
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As a user, I don't want more app stores all over my phone. I don't want more app stores all over my game console or PC either. Compare it to the Windows gaming world, where if you want game 1, you need to go to store A, if you want game 2, you need to install store B, if you want game 3, you need to install store C. Yuck! What end user wants that hassle?
But it's better overall for a user because it allows competition for the marketplace. Do you only shop at Walmart because it's convenient?
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#789I find it laughable how some people, after decades of lambasting Apple for having a closer system and a walled garden approach, down right berating them for it and saying it’s the wrong move, now have come around to wanting to not only want their products, but have them be fully hackabale. Preposterous.
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I appreciate this sentiment, but I've lived through too many of these transitions to agree. e.g. Blizzard, Google, YouTube, Curse, Sun Microsystems, Zynga, Minecraft, Occulus. Indie developers / startups either become the size of Epic and Spotify, or get bought by companies the size of Epic, Spotify and Apple. Find me the indie developers / startups that cannot be "corrupted" (converted?) and I'll invest as soon as t…
Why do you conflate indie developers with startups? They're entirely different.
For me they are both: Small groups of people passionately working towards a unique vision, typically under-funded to address a niche that is under-represented / under-invested by "the incumbents".
I'd be happy to view them differently. I just haven't been educated on the differences.