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Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by p_j_w »

jl6 wrote: post #730
cbsmith wrote: post #673

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to read their post before commenting. They seem very much aware of the need to reach people who aren't supporters and have always actively engaged with the platforms they are critical of. It's just that X isn't really an effective use of their time anymore.

I read the post. > Last year, our 1,500 posts earned roughly 13 million impressions for the entire year. Their YouTube channel reports 2,759,491 views in total, since 2006. So while X may be a fraction of what it was, it's still a significant multiple of at least one of the other channels they are happy to use. What kind of activist org turns down the opportunity to reach 13 million people for essentially zero cost?…

Do you think an X impression has the same value or impact of a YouTube view? I very much doubt it.

> What kind of activist org turns down the opportunity to reach 13 million people

13 million impressions, not 13 million people.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by p_j_w »

rapatel0 wrote: post #660
jfengel wrote: post #642

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, dealing with The Enemy is not only funding them, but lending your credibility. Maybe it would be worth it if, as you say, they are finding ways to reach non-supporters, but Twitter has been X for almost four years. If the EFF finds that they're not recruiting people from among their opponents, then they can reasonably say that they've spent enough time trying.

Credibility with who? We’re so polarized that a single binary label will shift all credibility. Experience, success, credentials none of it matters anymore. The left thinks everything on the right is stupid and evil, the right does the same, and everyone drinks their own kool aid. We’ve all stopped listening.

Perhaps EFF doesn’t want to find and legitimize the people pushing such divisivness.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by lta »

antfarm wrote: post #763

About time. Other platforms may not exactly be aligned with EFF’s goals, but Musk is outright endorsing the far right and neo-fascist parties in America and Europe.

I've been scrolling for a while and this is the first contact that makes sense to me. Ok, zuck has gone dark, yes tiktok governance and objectives are unclear. None of those companies are clean.

But Musk is actively *evil* and using this company specifically to serve his dark narrative and agenda. Thank EFF for quitting, was about time

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by kakacik »

gonzobonzo wrote: post #752
supern0va wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>X, for better or worse, gets you eyes, more so than any other alternative social media. But that is actually what they called out: they're not getting eyes anymore. Views at X have cratered so hard that it's barely worth the time.

I just checked their Facebook and X page. The X page is getting much more eyes. For instance, they posted their article "The FAA’s “Temporary” Flight Restriction for Drones is a Blatant Attempt to Criminalize Filming ICE" to both accounts. The results: X: 1,500 likes, 50 comments, 846 shares. Facebook: 58 likes, 8 comments, 22 shares. Bluesky: 94 likes, 3 comments, 51 shares.

Are likes some ultimate metric? What kind of person of target audience keeps liking any post of anything that pops up?

No and no obviously, they dont target some desperate addicted teens

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by cbsmith »

hitekker wrote: post #765
cbsmith wrote: post #673

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to read their post before commenting. They seem very much aware of the need to reach people who aren't supporters and have always actively engaged with the platforms they are critical of. It's just that X isn't really an effective use of their time anymore.

The post feigns outreach but the "Facebook and Tiktok are Evil" section blatantly panders to EFF supporters. It frontloads identity-group-affirming language to justify using platforms its supporters dislike at while saying nothing critical about platforms its supporters enjoy (Bluesky / Mastodon). That selective scrutiny suggest the EFF either doesn't care or is ignorant about the hang-ups of non-supporters, e.g., co…

It's really weird that the EFF would post something on their own site to speak to their supporters, and that it would employ "identity-group-affirming language".

Just because they issue one post that is targeting their supporters doesn't mean that they don't care or are ignorant about the broader audience. That's ridiculous.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by lta »

schoen wrote: post #340

I worked at EFF from 2001 to 2019. When I started, EFF was a very effective coalition between (primarily) progressives and libertarians. This had largely been the case since EFF was founded in 1990 by both progressives and libertarians. When people would call EFF a "left-wing" organization, I would correct them. It wasn't a left-wing organization, it was a big tent and had consistently had very significant non-left-w…

I hear what you're saying and it's very insightful. But I'm under the impression the libertarians have moved a lot closer to fascism I'm the recent years so it's hard to keep them in any tent. The "society has become more polarized" is an euphemism to describe an important rise of fascism across the world and in the US (that I'm not a citizen of). Yes it's polarized, because there's a side that's trying to create a political police and camps to deport everyone they disagree with as "illegal immigrants".

Circling back to EFF, I have seen many important legal issue related to digital freedom that I thought was important where they were involved. I think they're serving their mission. This decision makes sense, it's just a little bit late

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by spopejoy »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #82
crims0n wrote: post #58

I don't understand, does it cost them something to copy/paste their posts to X?

Brand reputation. Every brand that chooses to use X implicitly supports X, even if they're not verified & paying X money.

> Brand reputation

They said nothing of this in TFA, all they talked about was decimated view count. The obvious conclusion is X is censoring them, like they pretty much do to anybody that Elon feels like censoring.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by throwawaypath »

willdr wrote: post #724
pmdr wrote: post #234

> We'll Keep Fighting. Just Not on X Yeah, somewhere where regular people that aren't terminally online won't ever have the chance to see it. This is a dumb decision. I'd very much like for open, distributed social networks to win, but that's not a reality we'll be living in anytime soon. X, for better or worse, gets you eyes, more so than any other alternative social media.

What are you talking about? X is exclusively the domain of terminally-online people.

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