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Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by Redoubts »

phillipcarter wrote: post #647
helaoban wrote: post #259

>Our presence on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and TikTok is not an endorsement [...] We stay because the people on those platforms deserve access to information, too. We stay because some of our most-read posts are the ones criticizing the very platform we're posting on. We stay because the fewer steps between you and the resources you need to protect yourself, the better. Does this not apply to X users?

The problem they're not talking about is that for all the X users they could potentially help, their messages will be actively suppressed by the platform owner. Nate Silver, famously popular (...lol) with the online left, made a post about this recently: https://www.natesilver.net/p/social-media-has-become-a-freak... EFF is, politically, left wing.

> Nate Silver, [...] made a post about this recently

Yeah and he put together an insane chart + data that's not tethered to reality.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by gonzobonzo »

supern0va wrote: post #271
pmdr wrote: post #234

> We'll Keep Fighting. Just Not on X Yeah, somewhere where regular people that aren't terminally online won't ever have the chance to see it. This is a dumb decision. I'd very much like for open, distributed social networks to win, but that's not a reality we'll be living in anytime soon. X, for better or worse, gets you eyes, more so than any other alternative social media.

>X, for better or worse, gets you eyes, more so than any other alternative social media. But that is actually what they called out: they're not getting eyes anymore. Views at X have cratered so hard that it's barely worth the time.

I just checked their Facebook and X page. The X page is getting much more eyes. For instance, they posted their article "The FAA’s “Temporary” Flight Restriction for Drones is a Blatant Attempt to Criminalize Filming ICE" to both accounts. The results:

X: 1,500 likes, 50 comments, 846 shares.

Facebook: 58 likes, 8 comments, 22 shares.

Bluesky: 94 likes, 3 comments, 51 shares.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by busterarm »

smoovb wrote: post #344

>The math hasn’t worked out for a while now. Have the costs to post to X grown too high? The salary of someone with the technical know-how to work the social media platform is too expensive? How does the math compare with Mastodon? Do you know about buffer.com? I started giving to EFF about 10 years ago. It's pretty much the first and only organization I have regularly given to. It always felt like a non-political or…

Most people don't look at the Board of Directors.

And while I respect everyone on it for their achievements, from their own bios and other political work they're involved in you can clearly tell which stated goal is in service of another.

I've met and spoken to at least half of them and...yeah.

John Gilmore is gone. Brad Templeton is gone. John Perry Barlow is dead. The civil libertarian bent that the organization began with is long gone.

EFF is a Ship of Theseus like any other.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by Redoubts »

smoovb wrote: post #344

>The math hasn’t worked out for a while now. Have the costs to post to X grown too high? The salary of someone with the technical know-how to work the social media platform is too expensive? How does the math compare with Mastodon? Do you know about buffer.com? I started giving to EFF about 10 years ago. It's pretty much the first and only organization I have regularly given to. It always felt like a non-political or…

There was a recent leadership change at the EFF

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by fsckboy »

mghackerlady wrote: post #85
Ajedi32 wrote: post #71

Their logic for why they're on TikTok and Facebook seems sound to me, but doesn't that same logic apply to X? I kept waiting for the explanation but it never came...

there isn't enough people left there to be worth the tradeoff

>there isn't enough people left there to be worth the tradeoff

what tradeoff?

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by jerrythegerbil »

ecshafer wrote: post #736
phillipcarter wrote: post #647

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem they're not talking about is that for all the X users they could potentially help, their messages will be actively suppressed by the platform owner. Nate Silver, famously popular (...lol) with the online left, made a post about this recently: https://www.natesilver.net/p/social-media-has-become-a-freak... EFF is, politically, left wing.

EFF used to stand for a cause that was neither left nor right.

Perhaps they still do, particularly because that’s exactly what they stand for. The overall shift in perspective and narrative to the right makes them appear left.

If the narrative of a platform is intentionally divisive and making them appear left, leaving is the only way to both be center and present as center.

A warped perspective is hard to spot if you’ve been staring at it too long.

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by pesus »

cbeach wrote: post #710
fredgrott wrote: post #645

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not see how being on a platform literally chasing away people with hate, sexism and outright CSAM is somehow making a wrong decision about audiences to attract...can you drop your political bias red colored shades and address this?

You could literally be describing any modern day social network with those slurs.

How many other social network sites have their CEO posting and promoting white supremacist rhetoric?

Re: EFF is leaving X

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Post by lancewiggs »

koshergweilo wrote: post #358
traderj0e wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You clearly didn't read the article closely enough. The first header is "The Numbers Aren’t Working Out." If it was about the audience, they would have switched stopped earlier.

Those numbers are the real news here - that's a brutal drop in traffic. Are other organisations seeing the same?
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