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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by jacooper »

dirasieb wrote: post #451
jacooper wrote: post #6

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Macs are too expensive for the same performance/ram, and Linux still can't run proper creative software.

feel free to link a windows computer (pre-built or parts, whatever you want) that outperforms the m4 mac mini while costing either the same or less

In my case the bottleneck isn't cpu performance, it's ram. You can't run serious apps with 16gigs, nor lightroom with a large catalog nor Photoshop with Ai filters. Also running multiple agents with dev servers is ram intensive.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by gentleman11 »

runjake wrote: post #561

One point that wasn't mentioned is that we've been through this cycle many times before with Microsoft, and we will again. It wasn't too long ago that Microsoft went "all in" on Windows for developers and power users. WSL was drastically improved, developer tools were revamped and open sourced. The press adored the "new" Microsoft. Many developers moved over to Windows because they "got the best of both worlds". And…

That wasn't an up cycle, was it? Wasn't Microsoft was doing that at the same time as adding ads and stuff to the os. Silicon Valley people were just wowed by the open source initiatives and money. Everyone worshipped the ceo for it while windows for users swirled down the toilet, while new analytics couldn't be disabled, etc etc etc

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by gentleman11 »

i_cannot_hack wrote: post #13

Pulling the emergency break promising to improve a situation will in general not build any trust unless the mea culpa also includes: 1. An analysis of what allowed the situation to get out of control to begin with 2. Systematic changes to prevent it from happening again Otherwise you will just be in the same situation again in 3 years. And neither is included in Microsoft's messaging here.

I think this "emergency break" is just going to get eye rolls from most people

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Copernicron »

tasuki wrote: post #274
krater23 wrote: post #245

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I don't want windows or linux, I want a OS where I don't notice that it's there. When I have to think about my OS, then the OS has a flaw. And currently nor Windows or Linux can deliver that anymore. Windows 7 after some customizations and Windows XP had this, but M$ destroyed it. Linux never had this and I don't expect that this will come in the future.

> I want a OS where I don't notice that it's there. I guess you want a Mac. That's fine. I value freedom and things not mysteriously breaking and functionality not disappearing, and am quite happy investing a the time and knowledge upfront, so I use Linux. And then there are people who want to have a system which works out of the box initially and who don't want to learn anything and don't mind it breaking later, and…

> I guess you want a Mac. That's fine.

Have you seen liquid glass? "Don't notice it's there" does not at all apply to the latest UI changes. Everything is bouncing and jumping and sliding in ways that deliberately call attention to itself. MacOS does not stay out of the way anymore.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

shmeeed wrote: post #179
anthonylevine wrote: post #114

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This metaphor is so stupidly bad it's hard to believe you guys even know what React is.

I'm not a dev and actually don't know what React is. I don't care for this metaphor. As a user, however, I find that the Start menu has become more sluggish than it used to be, and that's pretty annoying. What about that?

https://pathar.tl/blog/no-windows-start-does-not-use-react/

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

hannahoppla wrote: post #513
someguyiguess wrote: post #310

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Only someone who has not tried to write stuff in "native windows" would ask this question. If you want a real answer, go try and develop a Windows native application real quick. I'll wait...

Windows 7 was not written in react, it looked great and worked great. Get those guys to write the UI for Windows 11.

What parts of Windows was written in React?

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Post by conz »

lizknope wrote: post #169

I bought my first x86 PC in 1994 to install Linux on. I wanted a Sun workstation but couldn't afford it. I know people run an operating system to run programs on so it isn't easy to switch but so many windows users make it sound like they have Stockholm Syndrome. My advice as a Linux user of 32 years for normal people is to buy a Mac.

You state: "My advice as a Linux user of 32 years for normal people is to buy a Mac."

And as a Linux user since the the MCC Interim distro[0] was made available through the floppy-distribution network in 1992, my advice is for most normal users to begin the process of migrating to Linux.

Why? Because even if the Mac has some current advantages over Linux for some normal users today, in the long run, Apple cannot ever be trusted any more than Microsoft can. If you believe that they can be, you're delusional. Whatever enshitifaction process Windows has undergone, whatever further reductions in user rights and freedoms Microsoft has introduced since it became platform hegemon, Apple will do the same. This is almost a law of nature.

Here's an example of this:

https://www.wired.com/story/bytedance-apps-are-no-longer-ava...

No, it is time for everyone to understand that in the long run, if we want a free and open society, the only way that that can be achieved is through free and open software. And as software comes to dominate the operation of society, then this becomes critical.

So, the sooner most every normal user bites the bullet and begins the migration to Linux, the less painless it will be for them in the long run, and the safer for humanity.

Cheers.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCC_Interim_Linux

[EDIT: Typo.]

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

gathered wrote: post #712
nicoburns wrote: post #510

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Sure, but there's a power disparity here. I think the clearest example is smart TVs where there have been examples of consumers buying a TV, and then having ads retroactively added to the product a year later. There's not much a consumer could to avoid that. It's our regulatory environment allowing that.

On top of that, the TV manufacturers subsidize the cost of their own TVs by shoving as much adware as possible and having it pay for the cost of the hardware. "Smart" TVs will almost always be cheaper than equivalent dumb TVs because of this reason, which forces many consumers' hands. I don't think there's any way to avoid this other than regulation, which likely won't happen because the system moves too slow to keep…

the solution to this it's to just never enable wifi on the tv and just use it with your box, I for example use a cheap android tv box and my regular computer. The same with kindle I don't buy books from amazon, and just use calibre.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by saurik »

robocat wrote: post #659
jabroni_salad wrote: post #613

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The Teams... team... took several years to let us pop out chats to their own windows. The minimum size of the window was almost half my screen for a long time, which was annoying since it had a mobile app and my phone is way smaller. Someone would send you a document and it took over the entire Teams window. You had to exit it in order to chat with the person about the document. The concept of having more than one 't…

> the developers Try not to blame the people working at the coal face. Developers lack influence in most companies, they are told what to do by product managers and the rot often gets worse further up the hierarchy chain. Developers mostly know what is wrong and don't like the shit they are doing. Imagine the anger of working on Server 2012 (Windows Server 8) with the default Metro UI - that idiocy had to go right to…

Most -- frankly, almost all -- developers I talk to at big companies like the things they are working on. I totally am happy to not blame a developer who disavows the stuff they are doing and shrug at me saying "a job is a job: this isn't the greatest market to find a new one", but that just isn't the reality of most of the people who are working at these big companies.
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