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Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by edgyquant »

pear01 wrote: post #357
edgyquant wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think this is a great example as a big complaint recently has been the influence of the gulf states on American politics.

Humorous of you to think they would be against AIPAC. Gulf states have little to nothing in common with Palestinians. Citizens of most gulf states are born into relative wealth merely by the fact their countries are rich in petrodollars. They build lavish cities and have standards of living (for their citizens) that increasingly put the West to shame. They are "diversifying" from oil by building massive AI datacenter…

Maybe that’s fair, but the gulf states were also condemned as large funders of groups like ISIS, albeit their rich citizens and not their governments.

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Post by hattmall »

hedora wrote: post #753
swiftcoder wrote: post #731

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure what's a mess about a driver's license, social security card Neither of those are accepted by various states' voter id laws, nor can you reliably board an airplane with them since RealID. The only foolproof identity card in the US appears to be a passport (which, you know, global federal identity card... exactly what the folks against universal ids dislike)

The federal government is trying to create problems. For instance, a Real ID won't be good enough to vote this fall if SAVE passes: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/apr/18/byron-dona... There are also a bunch of other gotchas: Original birth certificates and all currently-issued military IDs are not acceptable, for instance (even though the bill lists birth certificates and military IDs as acceptable, there…

To be clear, it's not required to vote. It's required for a new registration to vote. Which is typically done when you get a new ID, which already requires having those documents, more even because you have to show proof of current residence.

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Post by array_key_first »

parineum wrote: post #738
hedora wrote: post #698

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is outlined in Project 2025 (which I have not read). As I understand it, the age verification laws are part of a three pronged plan to eliminate privacy, freedom of speech and freedom of expression online. The goals being to expand current police abuses to include LGBTQ++, reporters, democrats, non-whites, non-christians, demonstrators, etc. It all is predictable and makes perfect sense if you assume the goal is…

> This is outlined in Project 2025 (which I have not read). Great sentence. Aside from making me completely doubt everything you're stating, I don't understand why people just take it as a given that Project 2025 is something the current administration gives two shits about. Is war in Iran in Project 2025?

Because almost every action of this admin is almost a direct translation from project 2025.

Also, this administration has said they are not following project 2025. That means they are definitely following project 2025.

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Post by echelon »

> EU’s eIDAS 2.0 offers privacy-preserving age verification with zero-knowledge proofs that protect personal data.

I'm on a short phone break and this is the first I've heard about this. Commenting to ask if anyone can explain this. If not, it'll be a reminder for me to research later.

I'm not sure I'm on board with age verification, but I'm certainly opposed to all forms of identity linkage and tracking. Maybe this is a middle ground?

I'd still prefer if parents disciplined their own kids by limiting device access and controlling their peer groups instead of putting us all into a rats nest of surveillance.

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Post by huflungdung »

furyofantares wrote: post #759
redm wrote: post #654

The question I keep coming back to regarding the recent debate around age verification is "Why now?" I'm 47, and I started using the internet in my early teens through BBS gateways. I've seen every age of the Internet, and there's always been widely available pornographic materials. Why all of a sudden is this a crisis? Perhaps I'm missing something?

I'm the same age as you, started when I was maybe 15 on BBSes. The porn was certainly a lot harder to come by, still images that took a while to download, had to do it when family was out of sight on the family computer and clean up history after. Kids have personal devices and can go down a rabbit hole of content in their room. It seems fairly different. Age ranges are different too, 10 year olds have phones and hav…

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Post by bix6 »

cycomanic wrote: post #721

These discussions remind me so much of the US discussions about federal ID documents as verification. There's a vocal portion of people which opposes any solution because "privacy, government overreach, surveillance ...". So instead of a solution like e.g. zero-proof age verification, that tries to minimize intrusions on privacy, the result is the worst of all worlds, maximum surveillance (but I guess it's ok if it i…

This seems like a very easy problem. The government has birth records, passports, ssn, phone records, etc. so they could provide an age bracket to anybody that needs it. But instead a private corporation will get to do this and create an absolute mess à la Palantir.

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Post by hananova »

sippeangelo wrote: post #760
cycomanic wrote: post #721

These discussions remind me so much of the US discussions about federal ID documents as verification. There's a vocal portion of people which opposes any solution because "privacy, government overreach, surveillance ...". So instead of a solution like e.g. zero-proof age verification, that tries to minimize intrusions on privacy, the result is the worst of all worlds, maximum surveillance (but I guess it's ok if it i…

Please explain how opposition to privacy invasive solutions result in even more privacy invasive solutions being implemented? Is it purely out of spite from the lawmakers? This logic doesn't follow.

Because we’re currently still in the phase where lawmakers are telling tech companies “please find a solution for this issue.” At some point, as has happened in the past with other issues, this will change to “solve this issue, here’s exactly how you have to do it.”

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Post by granzymes »

Has HN really stooped so low that we are upvoting unsourced AI slop? This “article” is sourced to a random Reddit thread and was clearly written by an LLM.

> A Reddit researcher just exposed

>The technical reality hits harder than policy abstractions.

> Here’s where the lobbying gets surgical.

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Post by devmor »

furyofantares wrote: post #759
redm wrote: post #654

The question I keep coming back to regarding the recent debate around age verification is "Why now?" I'm 47, and I started using the internet in my early teens through BBS gateways. I've seen every age of the Internet, and there's always been widely available pornographic materials. Why all of a sudden is this a crisis? Perhaps I'm missing something?

I'm the same age as you, started when I was maybe 15 on BBSes. The porn was certainly a lot harder to come by, still images that took a while to download, had to do it when family was out of sight on the family computer and clean up history after. Kids have personal devices and can go down a rabbit hole of content in their room. It seems fairly different. Age ranges are different too, 10 year olds have phones and hav…

> at whatever point parents stop monitoring, they would like the kids to not be fully in the deep end

Parents want to stop monitoring their kids, but still want their kids' experiences to be catered to their ideals, so the rest of society must now bend towards what you want for your kids specifically?

What about parents who want a different set of guardrails for their kids - more limited or less limited than you? What about people who aren't kids - does their privacy or freedom not matter, just because you don't want to handle it yourselves anymore?

That sounds to me (a non-parent) like a very selfish and naive worldview. I'm assuming from your tone that you are in support of this, so would you explain to me why you think its not?

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Post by ectospheno »

granzymes wrote: post #778

Has HN really stooped so low that we are upvoting unsourced AI slop? This “article” is sourced to a random Reddit thread and was clearly written by an LLM. > A Reddit researcher just exposed >The technical reality hits harder than policy abstractions. > Here’s where the lobbying gets surgical.

Ad hominem. If it’s clearly wrong then demonstrate.
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