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Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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> Why not? This implies the creation of an infrastructure for the total surveillance of citizens, unlike age verification by physical businesses.

Knowing if the user's over 18 doesn't imply total surveillance, it only implies a user profile setting that says if they're over 18.

Do you know what the word "infrastructure" means?

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Age verification is surveillance. The organized campaign to push age verification is not actually trying to protect children. You can’t do age verification without identity verification. You can’t have internet privacy and identity verification.

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For one thing, it's fairly uncommon for children to purchase operating systems. As long as there is one major operating system with age verification, parents (or teachers) who want software restrictions on their children can simply provide that one. The existence of operating systems without age verification does not actually create a problem as long as the parents are at least somewhat aware of what is installed at…

What if all the useful apps refuse to run on the childproof operating system?

Then ditch propietary software completely and join free as freedom OSes.

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Anyone reading this purely as a child safety or campaign finance story might miss the broader architectural war happening here. If you zoom out a little, this is the inevitable, scorched-earth retaliation for Apple's ATT rollout from a few years back. Apple cost Meta billions by cutting off their data pipeline at the OS level, justifying it with a unilateral privacy moral high ground. Now, Meta is returning the favor…

> Gotta give it to Zuck. if "it" is the middle finger, for sure. "terrifying" is a great choice of word for it.

I was equally impressed/terrified by Apple's marketing blitz around client-side-scanning. So many people got paid to advocate for that, and the community barely convinced them it was a bad idea. There's not much hope left for any of FAANG deliberately resisting surveillance.

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Scott Alexander had a few posts about that ("why is there so little money in politics?"): https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/tech-pacs-are-closing-in-on...

I think one of the reasons politicians can be bought so cheaply by interest groups is that the opponents of the interests groups have practically no money. The interest groups don't need to spend a ton as long as they spend more than their opponents. The linked post talks about the effectiveness of AIPAC but fails to mention how much is spent by say, Palestinian interest groups. Perhaps there's a good reason for this…

I don’t think this is a great example as a big complaint recently has been the influence of the gulf states on American politics.

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> Why not? This implies the creation of an infrastructure for the total surveillance of citizens, unlike age verification by physical businesses.

Knowing if the user's over 18 doesn't imply total surveillance, it only implies a user profile setting that says if they're over 18.

It implies that the user has access to the technical infrastructure that supports age verification. Sucks to be you, if you can't afford a recent Apple or Android device to run the AgeVerification app.

There is also the problem of mission creep. Once the infrastructure is in place, to control access to age-restricted content, other services might become out of reach. In particular, anonymous usage of online forums might no longer be possible.

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Removed! Anyone got a copy of the original text?

> This isn't age verification at the point of accessing restricted content. This is a persistent age-broadcasting service baked into the operating system itself, queryable by every installed application.

You're not missing anything. It's just an AI generated summary of the original GitHub link https://github.com/upper-up/meta-lobbying-and-other-findings

I found the original article much easier to read anyways

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QWACs exist to provide a more stringent and user-accessible way to assert a website's identity, mostly to foil phishing and other exploits that regular certificate systems don't address well. Where does this cross into censorship at all?

When the government decides not to issue certificates to websites they don't like.

It’s not the government that is issuing the website certificates.
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