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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by neya »

cyberax wrote: post #682
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Agree with you on the foldables. God, no one wants that. That's why they have to pitch it as some luxury product the masses can't afford. I hate those creases too. No one can convince me those things are durable...no matter how many marketing videos they make.

Does Apple use some kind of mind-control rays?!? Foldables are a growing market in Asia, where they are more widely available. They are quickly becoming a new status symbol, displacing Apple. Especially in China where the local phone manufacturers are now completely independent and free to experiment. Apple somehow completely missed the plot (yet again) despite being having the largest tablet marketshare. Google, to…

I don't even use an Apple. I travel a lot within Asia, so, I'm aware of the foldables situation in Asia. But, again, only to prove my point - not everyone runs around with those. You usually see the wealthy and some rich kids carry them around.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by cdf »

JohnLocke4 wrote: post #329
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

The HN crowd is not representative of the entire market. Most people don't care about the operating system and only want something that 1) is simple to use 2) they already know 3) they happen to already have (most people keep their phones for many years) Also, the largest phone market in the world is the developing countries market. Cheap phones are supreme right now

You hit the nail on the head. The rest of the world yearns for a phone that is cheap, has many years of updates, and not directly subject to US government control.

Motorola on GrapheneOS can run away with this and create a Global South phone ecosystem that can rival that of Apple and Google. The fact they are Chinese owned is a feature.

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Post by neya »

j-bos wrote: post #249
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This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

> [..] Phones that are like $150-200 sell like hot cakes What percentage of that is based on phones at that price having a headphone jack?

I know where you're getting at, I wish modern phones had the headphone jack. It was the most stupidest decision to remove them. I now use an Apple USB-C to headphone jack converter, while the inbuilt DAC is really good, it's quite inconvenient as I'm an audiophile myself and if I take a different headphone with me to the gym, I can't use it if I forgot to bring the converter (which happens a lot).

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Post by throw5t43e2 »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #583
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> Lenovo (/ləˈnoʊvoʊ/ lə-NOH-voh, Chinese: 联想; pinyin: Liánxiǎng), is a Hong Kong–based Chinese-American[11] multinational corporation > Lenovo originated as an offshoot of a state-owned research institute.[14] Then known as Legend and distributing foreign IT products, co-founder Liu Chuanzhi incorporated[2] Legend in Hong Kong in an attempt to raise capital and was successfully permitted to build computers in China…

It was common knowledge in my circles back at the time of the acquisition, but that's been 20+ years ago now. I try to bring attention to it whenever I'm asked about using Lenovo gear.

I’m pretty sure OP is being sarcastic.

The companies I have worked for in the past have always sworn by Thinkpads.

I don’t care who owns them Thinkpads are amazing.

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Post by wolvoleo »

Andromxda wrote: post #626
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Curve Pay refused to give me an account on my Murena FP6 and no local bank offers contactless without google pay, so I'm stuck using a bank card like a caveman.

> Curve Pay refused to give me an account on my Murena FP6 That's probably because /e/OS uses microG, which is vastly inferior to Sandboxed Google Play on GrapheneOS, and has much worse app compatibility. You should also know that /e/OS is a highly insecure OS, and both Fairphone and Murena are constantly misleading their customers with false marketing and false promises.

MicroG has two huge advantages: you can inspect the code it's running, and you're not tied to Google services. For example you can replace the location service with a privacy respecting one. With the sandboxed play you can't do that, you're stuck with the Google version. The only thing you still need Google for is the push notifications, because the backend of the apps only speaks to them.

It would be amazing if grapheneos would support microG as an option. But they are too much "not invented here" for that to happen.

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Post by godelski »

seniorThrowaway wrote: post #643
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> WSL2 basically works minus some annoying behavior and caveats. It is a lot of annoying things. Everything is just so clunky and I don't think it is surprising given that it is a subsystem. At least in the mac I can still access the computer I'm typing on through the terminal. I mean yeah, I can do that with Winblows but it is non-native and clunky. I mean ever try to open a folder with a few hundred images in it? (…

Ok, I still don't see how that's "hostile to linux" and not just windows being crappy, which it is.

Because I didn't really speak about Microsoft's hostility to Linux.

I think the moment it turned from annoyance to hate was when they bought Skype and then removed features from the Linux version. Features like... conference calling... but there's a million things like that. Go talk to Linux nerds and I'm sure you'll get a unique story each time. We've all felt the pressure

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Post by godelski »

diacritical wrote: post #641
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> WSL2 basically works minus some annoying behavior and caveats. It is a lot of annoying things. Everything is just so clunky and I don't think it is surprising given that it is a subsystem. At least in the mac I can still access the computer I'm typing on through the terminal. I mean yeah, I can do that with Winblows but it is non-native and clunky. I mean ever try to open a folder with a few hundred images in it? (…

What setup do you use for seeing image previews (or the images themselves?) on a terminal in Linux?

I use yazi a fair amount but I've also configured fzf to do it. There's a lot of tools to view the images, chafa is a good one.

This definitely should be improved but I honestly don't use fzf that much. I can fix it if you really need something but I'm sure you could find it in the docs or even an LLM could handle this. Requires you to define a few variables, lsd, bat, and chafa

  $ echo $FZF_DEFAULT_OPTS 
  --ansi --preview "if file --mime-type {} | grep -qF image; then chafa --passthrough none -f sixels --size ${FZF_PREVIEW_COLUMNS}x${FZF_PREVIEW_LINES} {}; elif file --mime-type {} | grep -aF -e directory; then lsd --color always --icon always --almost-all --oneline --classify --long {}; elif file --mime-type {} | grep -aF -e binary; then strings {} | bat --color always --theme=Dracula --language c; elif file --mime-type {} | grep -aF -e text -e json -e empty; then bat --color always --theme=Dracula --style=numbers,grid --line-range :500 {}; fi"

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Post by godelski »

encom wrote: post #642
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I've been given a Winblows machine in the past. My boss thought he was doing me a favor because it was a powerful machine... Sorry... all I need is ssh...

Why not just install Debian (or whatever) on it, instead of suffering Windows?

Because it was a work machine?

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Post by pentae »

malfist wrote: post #492
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A quick search resulted in this: "Android malware saw a 67% increase in 2025, with over 40 million downloads of malicious apps targeting banking and stealing data, frequently hiding in "Tools" and utility apps on the Google Play Store." So no, I don't think that's a small amount of risk, even if there's billions of Android users in the wild. Especially considering how much money can be stolen from peoples bank accoun…

A 67% increase of a 0.001% chance is just 0.00167%. 67% of android users in 2025 did not get their banking credentials stolen.

I think you need to check your math there. 40 million devices in 2 billion is 2%. Not 0.001%

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Post by mixmastamyk »

neilv wrote: post #554
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The directors of the the GrapheneOS Foundation and the other things you're talking about are public information. I stepped down as lead developer due to relentless harassment preventing me from being productive. The same people targeting me with harassment misrepresented what was happening. You shouldn't get info about GrapheneOS from Hacker News comments especially when multiple regulars here are part of the attacks…

Thank you, to you and the rest of the team, for your work on GrapheneOS! If I may make a suggestion: as GrapheneOS becomes more popular, perhaps it's time to better establish users' trust in the control over it. When the project was primarily you, who was already known for technical prowess and a principled exit from a different project, that was enough for many enthusiasts. But as both the team and the user base hav…

Why should privacy-oriented individuals be forced to dox themselves? There is a company that should be able to stand on its own reputation or not.
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