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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by eloisius »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #707

Every new version of MacOS exhibits four phenomena: 1. Old bugs are not fixed. 2. New bugs are introduced, and I have to spend hours online figuring out workarounds. 3. Old features I depended on are removed, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to replace them. 4. New features I don't need are added and they get in my way, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to disable them. My workflow pr…

I used Mac for 10 years and started feeling the same irritation around 2017. In 2020 I finally bit the bullet and switched to Linux. The initial investment into getting a usable Arch desktop was horrible. It took several days just to get to the point of something that I could boot into and be productive. It takes me a long time to get things working the way I want, but I kind of enjoy that aspect of total customization. The best part is, though, nothing ever changes. I get things working the way I want, and it just stays that way year after year. No UI language updates, no replacing my default shell, nothing. It just keeps working the way I like.

Now if they could just produce a touchpad as good as a MacBook's, give me 8-10 hours of battery life, and make the construction feel slim and solid, and not like it's going to get crushed in my backpack, and I'd be satisfied.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by dsego »

basisword wrote: post #764
dsego wrote: post #761

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> Music app has been massively updated and redesigned. How is this good design? I have to precisely hover over the puny slider and then it blurs everything? There is enough space to show proper controls for playback. And why are the controls at the bottom. https://imgur.com/a/vdBeG8g

That doesn't take away from the fact it had a major update and redesign. There are definitely still issues but it seems much snappier than the previous iteration where it felt like using embedded web views. Pins are great too.

It feels like change for the sake of change, I didn't notice any improvements for my use case.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by TomaszZielinski »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #752
TomaszZielinski wrote: post #742

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Re 1., based on [1] it seems that some data loss bugs are getting fixed. Asymptotically :) [1] https://mjtsai.com/blog/2019/10/11/mail-data-loss-in-macos-1...

I used to love Apple Mail but it was precisely this bug that made me move permanently to Thunderbird. It's hard for me to fathom a bug so severe that it caused data loss on an IMAP server , but Apple created said bug and put it into production . Thunderbird has the nice advantage of working on both MacOS and Linux with the same UI. It's not quite as nice as Apple Mail's classic UI (which is no longer available -- see…

I can imagine that some race condition slips into production, but what's hard for me to process is why it’s 5 or 6 years later and it’s still not fully fixed.

I mean, even if you have no idea what's the cause, you e.g. stuff counters everywhere and when they don't match you send the telemetry with the details. Privacy is preserved and over time you get an idea what to look for.

I admit I have no idea how mail client works, but clearly there must be some way they could pinpoint it, with such large userbase..

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by dreamcompiler »

isaachinman wrote: post #763
dreamcompiler wrote: post #752

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I used to love Apple Mail but it was precisely this bug that made me move permanently to Thunderbird. It's hard for me to fathom a bug so severe that it caused data loss on an IMAP server , but Apple created said bug and put it into production . Thunderbird has the nice advantage of working on both MacOS and Linux with the same UI. It's not quite as nice as Apple Mail's classic UI (which is no longer available -- see…

Also ran into serious issues with Apple Mail, and started building a new product: https://marcoapp.io

Your screenshot looks nice. I hope you succeed with this, and I'd be happy to try it. From what little I know, building a fully-compliant IMAP client is hard work.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by codr7 »

nik736 wrote: post #744
ransom1538 wrote: post #711

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Nothing on this list compares to removing an ESC key. That was apple starting to leave reality. I had to buy used laptops for that time period.

Wow I already forgot about the touch bar. And imagine being so stubborn to keep the touch bar but introduce a physical ESC key, they lost their minds during that time.

They lost their mind when Jobs died, he was the only mind worth mentioning in that cult.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by nobleach »

KaiserPro wrote: post #731
ransom1538 wrote: post #711

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Nothing on this list compares to removing an ESC key. That was apple starting to leave reality. I had to buy used laptops for that time period.

As a Vim user, I thought it would be a deal breaker, but it really wasn't that bad. The rest of the laptop was though.

As a Vim user, and a 65% keyboard user with my ESC key mapped to `~`, I found out early on that using ESC in Vim is better relegated to CTRL+[ or `jk` (when in insert mode). Fortunately, that stupid touchbar didn't slow me down as much as others have mentioned. The volume control (that would get stuck) on the other hand...

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by Etheryte »

artk42 wrote: post #617

If there are enough OGs, they should recall Windows XP with all those bells and whistles AND those life-saving switch to "Windows Classic" that survived next three generations of Windows. I personally pray for that "MacOS classic" switch... It's sad to enter that decay era for Apple where every next software upgrade for the device feels effectively as a hardware downgrade.

The global reduce motion and reduce transparency settings help you a little, but that only goes so far.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by codr7 »

wyclif wrote: post #351
DimmieMan wrote: post #270

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Silverblue is great but regular Fedora is worth a look too if you don't want to deal with the teething issues of managing all your dev-tools with Silverblue's immutable setup, granted that was 2 years ago when i tried so thing's might be better now. Infuriatingly; I have a macbook because a couple years ago I wanted a laptop that just worked while keeping my familiar tools but it really feels like Linux is trending u…

That Apple would allow this development to happen without any reversal is astounding. If allowed to continue it could seriously damage their MacBook market share. Then again, they may not care that much as long as they have the iPhone customer base.

Apple was once all about creating, lately it's all about consuming.

I expect the MacBook to be replaced by the iPad any second now.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by codr7 »

itopaloglu83 wrote: post #390
smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

It’s ugly as hell and plain stupid. I couldn’t watch the WWDC and when I saw the screenshots I thought it was a joke. Giant buttons with weird padding and extreme transparency effects. This is going to sound harsh but it looks like when “working” from home, Apple engineers outsourced their work to amateurs online. I simply cannot believe that Apple is shipping an OS this out of touch with elegance. Steve Jobs said in…

I've worked as a developer at Apple, I'm not surprised.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by codr7 »

Lutzb wrote: post #743
figassis wrote: post #642

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This is quite a departure from the company the pioneered UX obsession and attention to the smallest detail. What's happening here?

Steve Jobs is no longer there to reign in the designers.

Not just designers, it's like the entire company has grown up depending on Jobs to course correct.
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