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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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I get flak for hating Republican voters with the general feeling of most people being that voters are not responsible for the officials THEY elected to represent them. I still haven't found a valid argument for why a voter isn't held responsible for the actions of representatives. Especially if the actions would be likely to occur.

Exactly what “consequence” are you talking about? Voting by design is protected from retribution.

Retribution from the government, I meant socially.

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Exactly what “consequence” are you talking about? Voting by design is protected from retribution.

It's more of an ethical question. Were the people who voted for Hitler bad people because they voted for a bad person? I'd argue that they were. You can't just vote for a horrible person and then say you had nothing to do with the consequences. I'm not the one you replied to, but I assume this is something family related, a la "just because grandpa voted for Trump doesn't mean he's a bad person".

>Were the people who voted for Hitler bad people because they voted for a bad person?

Depends on what they know or heard. The situation is very different today. The internet gives each person access to all the information. I'm sure time can be a factor but in Germany you have more an excuse.

Also, with Germany, the economic situation was used by Hitler and worked to his advantage.

There's also the more controversial take but I've only read bits and pieces and many disagree with this as it implies a multigeneration swaying and ingrained cultural change

https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Willing-Executioners-Ordinary...

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I find it unlikely but… Much of my extended family would absolutely join a civil war on side Trump to get him into a permanent position of power if given the opportunity. Some of them are in the military. So it’s not unreasonable by world history standards that he could get a subset of the military on his side in a coup scenario. I think people in large urban centers or outside of the US don’t realize how much certai…

I hope they realize how profoundly un-American it would be to fight a civil war to install a king/dictator in power.

They don’t/won’t.

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Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

The government controls the migration system independent of Harvard.

The prestige networks people perceive as existing are actually just plot devices for Hollywood.

Obvious answer is obvious.

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You are right that Trump is using the protests to further his agenda! And some are scolding him for doing that. They want him to only focus on the anti Israel protests instead of also pursuing anti woke policies. And he made clear that both anti Israel protests (aka antisemitism) and liberal leanings are affecting the university’s status.

Are you saying being anti an apartheid theocracy is anti-semetic? Or are you just saying Trump is making that claim? Clarity is key in such things...

The latter

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Evangelical Christians are a huge voting block in the US and might be even more supportive of the current Israeli regime than the average Israeli. I wouldn’t necessarily conclude that Israel is controlling the American government as directly as you’re suggesting.

Yes I considered this. for the evangelicals who support Israel, they would not necessarily try to crush the critics in anti war protests. Israel’s war on Gaza does not coincide with the evangelical mission to trigger the second coming.

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> Israelis are upset at the student protests and are influencing the university to crush them. That's putting it mildly . Jewish students got beaten up, spat upon and verbally abused just for being Jewish after Oct 7th. No matter on which side one is in the I/P conflict, there is no justification at all to attack random Jews because of whatever Bibi is doing - it's not just bullshit because what can a Jew in the US e…

> Jewish students got beaten up, spat upon and verbally abused just for being Jewish after Oct 7th

Actually Palestinians have gotten beaten up spat on and verbally abused. This is documented multiple times on YouTube. There has even been false flag attacks by Israeli supporters dressing up as Palestinian supporters and then falsifying abuses. There has been attempts to lure pro Palestinians to attack Jews as well. OTOH journalists have reported no documented incidents of Jews being spat at.

Even if no one likes Bibi, universally they support Bibi’s actions in the current climate.

Protesting against a country does not make a protester a threat.

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I think you have your head in the sand. This Harvard thing is just one example. Just saw a report this morning (Aus time) of an Australian detained, stripped, and held overnight in a US federal prison. She was just coming in to visit her husband. Who the hell will want to come to the US now? You are going to suffer a massive reverse brain drain. You got a 30% tariff tax, kidnapping of random people off the street inc…

Wanna bet?

Yes.

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On the contrary, the issue is that Harvard allowed pro-Hamas students to attack and persecute Jewish students. Harvard failed to protect the Jewish students, even rewarded those students who intimidated Jewish students on campus. Pro-Hamas students barged into classrooms with bullhorns. Camped out on campus and prevented Jewish students from reaching their classrooms, forming lines and locking hands outside of classr…

> Harvard recently released a 311-page report detailing these issues[0]. Can you be more specific about what was detailed in the report and where? Because the things you mention aren't in your linked article at all. There were protests that got way too heated, but calling them "pro-Hamas students" has me, uh, doubting your take on this a bit. The highlights called out in your article are wholly different, focused ins…

Sure. One example in the opening paragraphs of the report: a Jewish student was set to give a presentation on how his grandfather survived the Holocaust and found refuge in Israel after the war.

He was told not to give the presentation because it would "justify oppression."

The report also details Jewish students were called out in classrooms, told they were oppressors, that their history is a sham, and that anti-racism norms do not apply to supremacists.

Protests on campus pressured Jews to disavow allegiance to Israel and the right of Jews to return to their historic homeland; Zionism. Those who didn't comply were harassed and deemed complicit in supposed crimes of the world's only Jewish state.

Pro-Hamas groups on campus disseminated cartoons of a hand with a star of David holding nooses around the neck of Blacks and Arabs.

After Hamas invaded Israel on October 7th, 33 Harvard student groups praised Hamas and blamed Israel.

Harvard invited commencement speakers who blamed Israel for the genocide in the Congo.

The Harvard page report contains all this and more, and found that over 60% of Jewish students at Harvard had faced discrimination.

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Yeah, getting the worlds top brainiancs and enticing them with a good education and having some of them build their lives here is one of our greatest imports.

"The worlds top brainiacs" were a huge part of what "Made America Great" in the first place. The MAGA "leadership" is doing the exact literal polar opposite of the stated mission of their slogan (and with far more than just education; wrecking the economy, alienating our allies, destroying freedom of speech, enabling and even encouraging pollution [and trying to even mandate it in California apparently] ... the list…

MAGA isn’t trying to make America great in any meaningful way. They want to make it theirs.
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