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Trump's Tariffs Wipe Out over $6T on Wall Street in Epic Two-Day Rout

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For the people who want ^this guy to shut up but haven't engaged.. which part of the above is wrong? I can see hyperbole of "bandit infested ruin" pushing some buttons but otoh it's seems likely that crime is connected to general economic health.

It’s right and wrong. Globalisation has hurt the rust belt, but it’s also allowed for much cheaper goods, which many people have enjoyed. It’s also made other economies much richer, which has allowed them to purchase U.S. goods (China being an immense iPhone market, for example). It’s not zero sum. If the world economy grows, and the USA holds onto a massive slice of that growing pie, then the USA wins - as it has be…

Doesn't that balance out in the end though? People in Detroit go from working at an automobile factory to working as a service worker at a local restaurant or retail store and their incomes go down massively, meaning all they can afford to buy is cheap crap from China sold at their local dollar store or discount retailer. They would rather have the old purchasing power and old retail options, especially since inflation has eroded a lot of those low prices.

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I was bringing this up with a guy yesterday who was genuinely supporting the policies and somebody chimed in that they were not worried at all, because everyone wants to trade with the big boy in town. Trust is not important if they are afraid of you (I'm paraphrasing). Quite a different perspective, but it is consistent with an observation I made about a lot of US comments, people are quite happy for their country/g…

Yeah, that's an idiotic take... The US has benefited massively from soaking up the best brains globally. That's not going to keep happening; I have plenty of colleagues already who are refusing to travel to the US. We may well even swing into brain drain as Trump et al move closer to executing their cultural revolution. Meanwhile, all those other countries will start trading more with each other. The US stands to be…

I heard people saying BLM and Covid were cultural revolutions that would lead to brain drain under Joe Biden. It was hype. Politicians who marched with BLM in the summer of 2020 by 2023 were saying they were never in favor of defunding the police

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"People don't want to admit wealth distribution is the problem because that would make them "communists"." If you are referring to taking wealth by force from people that earned it and giving to people that didn't earn it, yes it's 'communist'. There's nothing emotional about a methodology that has failed over and over again.

Or, alternatively, it's called "taxes" and "wealth redistribution". High inequalities is proven to be bad for development, so clearly there is a point where people have too much and it's harmful to society. Ergo it would be immoral to allow some to hoard wealth infinitely, just because they can.

That is begging the question. The question is not "Why are some people poor" that is the default state of humanity, and has been for the past 100,000 years Homo Sapiens have existed. The question is what are the succesful doing right. It is not because of "hoarding wealth infinitely" that a doctor has more money saved up than someone addicted to drugs and living on the street. It is their decisions that lead to their current circumstances. The doctor spending a decade in medical school and residency has delayed a lot of gratification getting their, while the drug addict likely had some issues with impulse control or delayed gratification.

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The constitution says you’re wrong. And the justices he appointed would uphold the constitution if he tried it.

Sure, on paper, but who will enforce it? He’s already attempted a coup. He has 4 years to prepare for the retry. He’s already putting loyalists into law enforcement and military spots. He’s immune to all lawsuits and has the congress cowed.

If you think January 6th was an attempted coup you must think that BLM was a revolution.

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4D chess is an absurd notion when you consider the actors involved. Only malice and incompetence are credible theories.

When the markets are down, they are on sale for the rich. Eliminating competition via tariffs is good for those who want to compete where they couldn't before. They would let everything burn to further enrich themselves or push their ideology.

Why are they only on sale for the rich? I thought everybody could buy it. When Wall Street Bets was buying GameStop was that an investment "for the rich"? And if not why can only rich people invest when markets are down, and only not rich people can invest in GameStop when they are being short squeezed?

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I think less 4d chess and more Erlich Bachman school of negotiation. Bullying people in inferior bargaining positions has somehow worked thus far.

>Bullying people in inferior bargaining positions has somehow worked thus far. Has it? To who? Canada hasn't, and won't , negotiate a single thing. We increased border patrols for a made up problem and thus far it has entirely served to catch guns and drugs and illegals coming from the United States . The United States has lost tens to hundreds of billions of sales to Canada. They are never , ever coming back. Trump…

Wasn't appointing a fentanyl czar and agreeing to spend more on border enforcement a form of concession? https://x.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1886529228193022429 This doesn't seem like Canada isn't negotiating a single thing. What am I not understanding here?

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"People don't want to admit wealth distribution is the problem because that would make them "communists"." If you are referring to taking wealth by force from people that earned it and giving to people that didn't earn it, yes it's 'communist'. There's nothing emotional about a methodology that has failed over and over again.

Communism is control of the economy via government owning the businesses. What you are describing is taxes in a free market system. They are not the same thing, and being convinced they are is the majority of the problem.

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