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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 12:27 AM UTC

Dalewyn wrote: post #759

clwg wrote: post #723

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Perhaps bad phrasing, it is an emotional issue having lived through it. I like to think that I don't live in a country ruled by a King but rather in a community of citizens who have collectively agreed on a way of doing things. This includes the right to express dissent against other citizens to whom we have delegated certain decision-making responsibilities. A permit isn't about seeking permission; it's about ensuri…

>I like to think that I don't live in a country ruled by a King Canada is ruled by the British king/queen, even if only symbolically. >A permit isn't about seeking permission A permit is permission in granted form. Perhaps you meant something else, it's a poor choice of words.

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by carbine » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 12:27 AM UTC

mlekoszek wrote: post #74

redeux wrote: post #59

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I haven’t been following the news recently. What is the talk of annexation? First I’ve heard of it.

There's a good summary here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_r... At least one Canadian business magnate (Kevin O'Leary) has tried to position himself in on the deal and visited Trump at Mar-a-Lago to talk details. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/kevin-oleary-donald-t...

Canadians do not want this and most don't even find it funny.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by carbine » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 12:29 AM UTC

grecy wrote: post #111

casenmgreen wrote: post #33

Best of luck to our Canadian friends.

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I appreciate that this is a popular sentiment in certain media/online circles (i.e. Bluesky) but I don't believe it is at all an accurate statement from a policy standpoint, nor a rhetorical one.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by Tiktaalik » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 12:30 AM UTC

adrr wrote: post #565

Tiktaalik wrote: post #285

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lol this incredible hyperbole begs for explanation. The two main fumbles I can see of note are on housing and immigration. On immigration the government only made remarkable changes in the last two years, and as if they touched a hot stove, they already realized their mistake and have already scaled back immigration numbers so much that Canada will effectively have nil immigration for the near future. Not likely a ge…

Isn’t the housing crisis caused at the local level? City officials control the permits/zoning. > In 2020, Canada ranked 37 out of 38 for municipal approval process timeline in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). We're 3 times slower than the United States. This is due to restrictive zoning practices, excessive red tape, and outdated processes. https://housing-infrastructure.canada.ca/ho…

Absolutely, though the feds do have a significant impact via the tax code. The last period of time when lots of apartments were built in the 1960s-70s was a period of time when there was oodles of tax giveaways to apartment builders.

Additionally in that period the federal government was deeply involved in funding the development of publicly owned housing and coops. That ended in the late 80s and by the time of the main austerity budget of the Chretien Liberals in '93 the Feds were completely uninvolved in funding social housing.

So yeah a long period of nil social housing funding and few incentives to build housing and no real surprise that the country got to a point where it was severely underbuilding.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by parineum » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 12:32 AM UTC

nazcan wrote: post #688

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There is room for two failures. The province should have enforced the provincial law, and the feds should not have have taken action through the banking sector.

But this leads to the question if the province is not doing it's job, what do you do as the feds? Not saying they did right, but curious.

> what do you do as the feds?

I don't know exactly how Federalism works in Canada but the answer is their jobs. If that doesn't entail stepping in to provincial business, they shouldn't do anything.

There doesn't always have to be something done.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by carbine » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 12:32 AM UTC

hmmm-i-wonder wrote: post #37

pluc wrote: post #19

Here come the conservatives, again. Canada might not be a two-party system, but you'd never guess looking at the last hundred years.

Problem with First Past the Post voting systems, we tend to vote "strategically", and since the Alliance and PC's joined early augh's, the Right has been "unified" while the left is still split between the more centrist liberals and left NDP, with a small portion bled off for green's. Would love to see explanations of downvotes since this is factually true...

In practice the entire government has been propped up by a leftist coalition between the Liberals and NDPs, in recent years, so functionally I think they have done just fine.

In fact, in a first-past-the-post system with a minority government you often end up giving disproportionate power to the third place party, in terms of the popular vote (in this case the NDP) because they hold up the government and can make significant demands in doing so. This has been absolutely borne out in Canada.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by xwolfi » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 12:33 AM UTC

carlosjobim wrote: post #763

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All of the protests I see lately, besides strikes, are college students. Which working class protests are you thinking of?

There's been massive popular protests in France, Germany and Great Britain in the past few years. Maybe in more countries? But they don't always get media coverage. One that you should have heard of is the yellow vest protests in France.

Im French, my anecdotal opinion is the same as the Canadian parent comment: they block and destroy, propose nothing realistic and end up pissing everyone off. I vote Macron as a result.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by carbine » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 12:33 AM UTC

FredPret wrote: post #119

hmmm-i-wonder wrote: post #37

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Problem with First Past the Post voting systems, we tend to vote "strategically", and since the Alliance and PC's joined early augh's, the Right has been "unified" while the left is still split between the more centrist liberals and left NDP, with a small portion bled off for green's. Would love to see explanations of downvotes since this is factually true...

First past the post is awesome. I moved from a proportional-representation country to a FPTP one (Canada) and it's so much better to have a specific individual who is my MP. Back where I was born, there's a grey and anonymous party list of people selected by extremely dubious internal party political means. I never felt the slightest bit represented; and the political process was completely opaque. Now I have a dude…

Totally agree, 'dude with a newsletter and an email address' is very underrated.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by s1artibartfast » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 12:34 AM UTC

energy123 wrote: post #760

joshl32532 wrote: post #726

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In this case, it's definitely Trudeau's administration fault by flooding the Canadian job market with immigrants, which lowers job compensation and increasing housing cost.

Lump of labor fallacy. The pie is not fixed.

fallacy fallacy. The pie is not fixed, but does not necessarily grow >1:1 when people are added.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by raydev » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 12:34 AM UTC

selfmodruntime wrote: post #716

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If only more people A) asked this question and B) looked into what was (not) happening. Basically Ottawa police were insubordinate, sided with the truckers/occupiers/protesters, etc. The populist conservative provincial government completely failed to act, likely due to the protestors being on "their side". > Ottawa was not being policed. Ticketing didn’t start for days. Tow-truck companies hesitated to move illegall…

> Basically Ottawa police were insubordinate, sided with the truckers/occupiers/protesters, etc Maybe the correct move was to resign if it got that bad.

I agree, the police should've resigned if they failed to do their job. Call in the military.