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Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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Post by colimbarna »

londons_explore wrote: post #756
avidiax wrote: post #741

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also "hold for me", where the phone listens to hold music for you, then rings when the operator arrives. And there is a feature now to show you how busy a customer service line is at a particular time, and to give you a text transcript with clickable buttons for the phone tree.

Am I the only one who thinks these features really don't add much to the experience? If an annoying phone tree is going to take 3 minutes to navigate by listening to the prompts, then it will also take 3 minutes to navigate by letting the AI listen and write little buttons for me. I didn't really save any time. If on the other hand it could say "other users have seen this phone tree before, so here is the whole searc…

Hold for me is pretty good. I've never used the phonetree feature, but I think it's often the case that I don't know which button I need to press: I have to listen to them all first, then decide which one. Commonly I have to listen to the tree twice: once to decide, and once to find out what to click. I'll probably look for the phonetree next time, so I can just read over it and find what I want. I agree it would be much better to preload it, but that might not be plausible due to privacy concerns or legal reasons.

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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Post by thaumasiotes »

nasdaq-txn wrote: post #572
thaumasiotes wrote: post #477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the beginning, smartphones were all tiny, because it was universally agreed that smaller cell phones were better. Then there was a huge, neverending push to make phones as large as possible, or larger. Sometimes smaller phones have been offered as an unpopular option, but more often "enormous" is the minimum size. And as long as that's been going on, people have been complaining that they want their phone to fit i…

>Why are the manufacturers so insistent on not providing small phones? They don't sell. Apple killed the iPhone mini due to low sales. Asus replaced the universally lauded Zenfone 10 with a very large Zenfone 11. Google increased the size of the Pixel 6 when compared to its predecessor. Sales also increased.

> They don't sell.

This isn't an answer, unless you believe it's impossible to make more than one size of phone at a time.

I specifically asked what might be pushing manufacturers toward such a viewpoint. How does the existence of an iPhone mini reduce total iPhone sales?

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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Post by Terretta »

eloisant wrote: post #532
roughly wrote: post #201

I'm an iPhone guy, but - there _are_ other designs for phones, right? The squircle corners, the shiny metal band surrounding the matte back, the aqua-pill-shaped buttons, the colors - Google is a $2T company, there's gotta be an industrial designer somewhere in the building or some process for phone design that doesn't take place in Cupertino, right?

I know people like to claim Apple designs and everyone else copy, but that's not what's happening. Everyone is converging to the same design, Apple like the others. They all borrow from each other until they all look the same.

Pixel 9 design language is iPhone 4 design language from 2010 -- which was original iPhone design language from 2005, that didn't ship!

Apple calling back to what was considered their most iconic design language for the iPhone (and now iPads) long before others imitated it, doesn't mean Apple is now copying the imitators.

https://www.core77.com/posts/16817/core77-speaks-with-jonath...

This remains widely regarded as the most significant design since dropping the keyboard.

The plot on that design thickens, Samsung claimed Apple copied Sony:

https://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3189309/apple-sony-iphone...

But those were Apple having fun with Sony fanfiction applied to an earlier Apple design ... turns out the iPhone 4 language was in their design repertoire in 2005, before even the original iphone shipped:

https://www.theverge.com/2012/7/30/3201162/apple-refutes-cla...

I seem to recall they couldn't do the design earlier due to fabrication and materials constraints.

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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Post by fbrchps »

londons_explore wrote: post #756
avidiax wrote: post #741

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also "hold for me", where the phone listens to hold music for you, then rings when the operator arrives. And there is a feature now to show you how busy a customer service line is at a particular time, and to give you a text transcript with clickable buttons for the phone tree.

Am I the only one who thinks these features really don't add much to the experience? If an annoying phone tree is going to take 3 minutes to navigate by listening to the prompts, then it will also take 3 minutes to navigate by letting the AI listen and write little buttons for me. I didn't really save any time. If on the other hand it could say "other users have seen this phone tree before, so here is the whole searc…

It can do that with previously-known phone trees.

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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Post by tuananh »

i switched back to samsung after experiencing terrible performance of the tensor chip in Pixel 8 Pro.

To be honest, it's probably not their fault though if games/apps are not optimized for that. But I can't wait around, using a flagship phone with sub-optimal performance.

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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Post by sieabahlpark »

londons_explore wrote: post #756
avidiax wrote: post #741

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also "hold for me", where the phone listens to hold music for you, then rings when the operator arrives. And there is a feature now to show you how busy a customer service line is at a particular time, and to give you a text transcript with clickable buttons for the phone tree.

Am I the only one who thinks these features really don't add much to the experience? If an annoying phone tree is going to take 3 minutes to navigate by listening to the prompts, then it will also take 3 minutes to navigate by letting the AI listen and write little buttons for me. I didn't really save any time. If on the other hand it could say "other users have seen this phone tree before, so here is the whole searc…

> If an annoying phone tree is going to take 3 minutes to navigate by listening to the prompts, then it will also take 3 minutes to navigate by letting the AI listen and write little buttons for me.

If it's a common number for a support line it actually shows you the options before they're stated by the robot. Say for example if I call bank of america's support line, it will show the not-yet-said options as greyed out, but selectable. If the call robot accepts early inputs you can actually navigate a phone menu quite rapidly. Pair that with the estimated wait times or "hold for me" you can save yourself the headache of "actively" waiting.

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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Post by udev4096 »

nepger21 wrote: post #578

Google really needs to improve the core offering of what a phone is supposed to provide instead of using half baked AI as a selling point. I have been using Pixel 7 for almost the past 2 years. But the amount of basic core issues are crazy. Recently,since the July update, every place where the phone cannot catch network signal, it shutdowns. And with the update, somehow i feel it cannot catch network signal as strong…

Stock OS is always going to have these pesky problems. After switching to GrapheneOS, I had close to no problems

Re: Google Pixel 9 Pro

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Post by zeagle »

udev4096 wrote: post #778
nepger21 wrote: post #578

Google really needs to improve the core offering of what a phone is supposed to provide instead of using half baked AI as a selling point. I have been using Pixel 7 for almost the past 2 years. But the amount of basic core issues are crazy. Recently,since the July update, every place where the phone cannot catch network signal, it shutdowns. And with the update, somehow i feel it cannot catch network signal as strong…

Stock OS is always going to have these pesky problems. After switching to GrapheneOS, I had close to no problems

I'll also vote for this. It worked great for stock operation including things like Android Auto. I had to switch back due to a need for some BS Microsoft software for teams that needs to pass safety net which my work uses for paging.
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