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YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Re: YouTube's Anti-Adblock and uBlock Origin

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Post by jackdh »

amadvance wrote: post #530
Buttons840 wrote: post #369

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If ads are indistinguishable from the regular video, can't people just skip past them? Afterall, regular video can be fast-forwarded / skipped. I will tell my computer to automatically skip video that was originally marked as unskippable. If things really escalate, I will tell my computer to blank the screen and mute the audio when an ad is playing. I will do this with a keybinding, or maybe with an AI. This will be…

> I will tell my computer to blank the screen and mute the audio when an ad is playing. Indeed, but you'll still have to wait for the ad to play. YouTube can definitively win this race if they decide so.

At that point I would auto download any videos from my subscriptions so they are controllable locally. Then an AI or integration with an Sponsorblock could skip the adverts.

Host this all in a system similar to plex and it would be quite transparent.

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Post by carlosjobim »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #768
carlosjobim wrote: post #758

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> a platform built for watching nonstop cat videos. And who are you to decide that YouTube should be for cat videos and not high quality educational and documentary videos? On our family TV we have YouTube subscribed to a lot of documentary and educational channels. Recommendations are consistently of the highest quality. On my FreeTube I have other subscriptions to more immersive quality scientific and crafts videos…

> Who are you to come and say that these videos shouldn't be on YouTube and that these creators shouldn't get paid from me watching their videos? How does our use infringe on yours? I'm me. I'm the world's leading expert on my own opinion. If you watch enough YouTube, you might become an expert on someone's opinion, but likely not on mine. Your use doesn't infringe anything. Please check that you've responded to a co…

I might have missed something, but going through the parent comments, I didn't see any mention of Khan Academy before you mentioned it in a reply to my post. So to me the topic is about educational videos in the broad sense, not about Khan Academy specifically.

> Does your family use YouTube in place of a university education, but you'd prefer to watch ads than to have donors from wealthier nations pay to remove them for you?

No, I pay for YouTube premium for my family. The price is a bargain and creators get paid better for the things we watch. Yes, I 100% use YouTube in place of a university education, because I don't have any interest in getting degrees in astronomy, middle eastern politics, law, archeology etc. Not to mention the knowledge you can educate yourself on with YouTube that isn't available within academia.

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Post by hypercube33 »

daeros wrote: post #356

While it has ultimately come up in this discussion my honest input is most of the comments I see here evaded the elephant in the room of all of it which is that Google doesn't do a good enough job of vetting the people who advertise with it, its search engines have repeatedly allowed malware to slip through the cracks leading to people being exploited and nothing stops those same malware developers from serving up ad…

Look if YouTube red was still a thing I'd pay for it. I really hate youtubes suggestions and shorts need to go away but charging me extra for YouTube music isn't an incentive it's a deterrent.

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Post by trimethylpurine »

carlosjobim wrote: post #772
trimethylpurine wrote: post #768

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> Who are you to come and say that these videos shouldn't be on YouTube and that these creators shouldn't get paid from me watching their videos? How does our use infringe on yours? I'm me. I'm the world's leading expert on my own opinion. If you watch enough YouTube, you might become an expert on someone's opinion, but likely not on mine. Your use doesn't infringe anything. Please check that you've responded to a co…

I might have missed something, but going through the parent comments, I didn't see any mention of Khan Academy before you mentioned it in a reply to my post. So to me the topic is about educational videos in the broad sense, not about Khan Academy specifically. > Does your family use YouTube in place of a university education, but you'd prefer to watch ads than to have donors from wealthier nations pay to remove them…

Then you're using YouTube exactly as I have advocated here; paid.

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Post by intended »

hellojesus wrote: post #761
intended wrote: post #751

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“You” a market does not make. People refuse to get out of them is the market. That is the point of their growth and dominance model.

> People refuse to get out of them is the market. People refuse to get out of them because they are still the most efficient providers. Regardless of the user experience degradation, YouTube still offers the best product. For example, Rumble doesnt let me start looking for ve events from the beginning. YouTube does. Better experience. My hypothesis: if YouTube only worked on Web Integrity browsers and forced a four h…

I dont understand how people reach these conclusions - when we opened the conversation with discussions on the abuse of market power.

AND this is tech. The place that "network effects" was coined.

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Post by dartharva »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #759
dartharva wrote: post #755

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Adblockers run within the browser's space, they don't intrude into any servers by any means whatsoever. Your statement is completely wrong and misguided.

The current implementation sends YouTube false information about whether the ad was run. That absolutely intrudes on the server. Really it's no different from telling a cashier you already paid online or something like that.

What current implementation and what false information? What are you talking about? The article literally says the opposite?

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Post by hooverd »

shiroiuma wrote: post #366
fennecbutt wrote: post #347

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Psssh, you and I both know the model only works because people _do_ sometimes look at ads. If people don't, then YouTube will stop delivering videos for free. Your argument is pretty disingenuous.

So you think people watching over-the-air television are morally obligated to watch the ads and not mute them, leave the room, use a DVR to skip them, etc.?

This is what some people actually believe.

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Post by jedrek »

crote wrote: post #663
jedrek wrote: post #639

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Do realize that viewers are not YouTube's only "customer". They spend a lot of time and energy courting video creators as well, and their monetization program is one of the few that allows even mid-sized creators to record videos for a living.

YouTube's partner program pays relatively little, though. Pretty much all mid-sized creators I follow also have sponsors and/or a Patreon - that's their main source of income.

It's still one of the best on the internet. That said, if you have the viewers to get monetized on YouTube, you probably have the viewers to make even more money off sponsorships/patreons/etc.

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Post by Indoctus »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #730
brnt wrote: post #520

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What is the morality of thinking anyone is allowed to fully control my machine? I guess I'm showing my age, but browsers were _user_ agents, once.

No one is forcing you to use youtube. I think the situation is more like the opposite, adblockers are trying to gain control of youtube servers in order to obtain the product without paying.

Everything is on youtube and alternative sites either die out or don't get anything uploaded onto them. It's effectively a monopoly.
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