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From your very first reply, up until now, all you have done is personally attack me. That is not a decent or constructive way to contend with points raised. Like I said, if you disagreed with the claims I'm making, about the psychological profile of a typical woman, or even what proportion of that profile is biologically determined, and expressed that skepticism in a polite and open-minded manner, I would have been h…
More tone policing and then avoiding answering regarding the "objective facts" from your blatantly subjective takes. Dishonest.
My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
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Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
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My wife told me something a while back about how girls are often taught from a young age to be "sweet" and to defer to adults who demand their affection. I can't remember if it's something she read or came to herself upon examination of her youth. I can see the way that this idea on boundaries can grow to adulthood to having difficulty strongly advocating for oneself. The philosophies you laid out resonate strongly w…
My grandma had a campfire saying that "smoke follows beauty." I realized many years later as an adult that it was part of a subconscious family mythology, handed down for who knows how many generations. If you're pretty, it's your fault for unwanted attention (smoke).
Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
#773There is a lot about the sexual events in this post that, to me, highlights something I feel is important which is: we parents need to get better had having conversations with our children around sex. This girl was feeling uncomfortable and crying but at the same time "didn't think those behaviors were problematic". I can't help but wonder if her parents never sat her down and discussed situations like this and, I ge…
we parents need to get better had having conversations with our children around sex. I'm a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. I thought long and hard about this and decided that talking to my children about the existence of sexual predators would rob them of their innocence. I've studied how this works. Sexual predation almost never starts with rape. It starts with myriad instances of boundary violation and disrespe…
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More tone policing and then avoiding answering regarding the "objective facts" from your blatantly subjective takes. Dishonest.
More gaslighting where you mischaracterize someone calling you out for your ad hominem attacks as "tone policing". I've already refuted all of your points, and you've simply evaded my points and regurgitated yours.
> "We've tried the 'rawr girl power, women can do everything men can do' culture, and the result is scores of women being used and taken advantage of because they were not capable, emotionally/temperamentally, to be their own advocate in sex and dating interactions."
"We've tried" = subjective
"rawr girl power, women can do everything men can do' culture" = subjective
"the result" = subjective
"because they were not capable, emotionally/temperamentally" = subjective
"in sex and dating interactions" = subjective
Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
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More gaslighting where you mischaracterize someone calling you out for your ad hominem attacks as "tone policing". I've already refuted all of your points, and you've simply evaded my points and regurgitated yours.
Let me help you then, take the statement I quoted: > "We've tried the 'rawr girl power, women can do everything men can do' culture, and the result is scores of women being used and taken advantage of because they were not capable, emotionally/temperamentally, to be their own advocate in sex and dating interactions." "We've tried" = subjective "rawr girl power, women can do everything men can do' culture" = subjectiv…
Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
#776General PSA from someone who has studied such things: 1. Alcohol is the number one date rape drug and it's problematic in part because men tend to have a much higher tolerance than women. 2. Date rape frequently involves two people from different cultures with different social expectations. This often fosters terrible misunderstandings. 3. It's always problematic to "try a case" in the court of public opinion. Probab…
Okay, here are some suggestions. I'm expressing them strongly, because some women don't seem to have understood these things.
1. Don't fuck people that you don't want to fuck. 2. Don't spend time alone with a man that you don't want to fuck, because that man very probably does want to fuck you. 3. Don't share a bedroom or sleep with with a man that you don't want to fuck. 4. Don't go on a "date" with a man if you already know that you don't want to fuck him. 5. Don't get drunk alone with a man that you don't want to fuck. 6. Don't continue fucking a man that you regret fucking the first time. 7. Don't go out of your house by yourself, if you are not an educated adult woman who understands that most male creatures by nature want to have as much sex as possible with as many different attractive young females as possible, and men will attempt to do so by various means ranging from courtship to rape depending on their moral standards. 8. Don't communicate with people that you don't want to communicate with. Tell them loud and clear to stop, block them, or report repeated unwanted communication which is harassment. 9. Don't allow someone to harass you (repeatedly after being told not to). Tell them not to, loud and clear. 10. Don't ignore all of the above, which is very widely known to almost every adult, then publicly complain that a bad man took advantage of you, a helpless and vulnerable victim, and also expect to be respected as an equal.
Yes, I feel sorry for the woman who had a bad and traumatic experience with this man. I have had bad experiences too. But I don't understand how a woman could grow up in this world, with access to caring parents, news, internet, and education, and yet still fall into a trap like this.
It beggars belief, to the point that I would suggest that this was possibly not "date rape", but rather a consensual sexual encounter that the woman did not enjoy and/or regretted. At least I think there is some reasonable doubt. There is a far far way from a regretted relationship or one night stand, to date rape. If in fact this was more of a regretted relationship, I think it is not acceptable to destroy a man's reputation and career by broadcasting the whole experience to the public and judging him guilty of unclear accusations without trial.
Men are not perfect, we are not always nice, we can be manipulative, and we might go to great lengths to get what we want. Women are also like that.
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Marriage has nothing to do with it. It's just legal binding to unite the possessions and caretaking of the children. Abuse still happens, more often than not, in marriages, including rape. Unless you comment was sarcastic, your point is clearly proven wrong by and large.
> Marriage has nothing to do with it Of course it does. Marriage means responsibilities and protects rights, and no one night stands. Just because abuse happens in some marriages does not mean that we should leave sexual relationships to happen adhoc. Limiting sexual relationships to contracts (marriage, not prostitution) is the solution that has worked forever basically. The widespread of STDs, not to mention childr…
What your logic straight dictates is that the solution to our freedom and dignity being stolen is to not have freedom and dignity in the first place.
You speak of mental toll. Do you understand the mental toll of being locked with your abuser in the same house and your abuser also having the support of the "society"? The mental toll of being devoid of any alternatives in the first place? The toll of being degraded and considered inferior and subservient to the other half of the population? Do you understand how much society pays because kids are grown up in such environments?
You speak of "Westernization" as if treating women as humans is a strange new counter-society idea. You got it backwards honey. Islam placing women below men and denying the freedoms and dignity of a human being, with the seal of approval of allah himself, with a small a, is the abnormal and perverse thing in human civilization.
You ask why I assume you are a Muslim? Only a Muslim would write such hateful things towards women. Even the misogynists of the other places and religions would not be able to write the things you did with a straight face and with such confidence.
May Islam die so that women can live.
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I'm curious if you or anyone else can share more detail or some examples regarding cross-cultural differences in societal expectations. I've got some guesses about what this might mean, but I haven't studied this, and don't have any personal experience here.
How about the classic Ask vs Guess from metafilter: https://ask.metafilter.com/55153/Whats-the-middle-ground-bet...
Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
#779Earlier quoted context omitted.
My wife told me something a while back about how girls are often taught from a young age to be "sweet" and to defer to adults who demand their affection. I can't remember if it's something she read or came to herself upon examination of her youth. I can see the way that this idea on boundaries can grow to adulthood to having difficulty strongly advocating for oneself. The philosophies you laid out resonate strongly w…
My grandma had a campfire saying that "smoke follows beauty." I realized many years later as an adult that it was part of a subconscious family mythology, handed down for who knows how many generations. If you're pretty, it's your fault for unwanted attention (smoke).
Different kinds of families, I guess =)