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Meta workers can opt out of being tracked at work up to 30 min

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Post by KaiserPro »

LtWorf wrote: post #755
KaiserPro wrote: post #752

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Everywhere. so long as you do a DPIA, and in germany, holland and france you talk to the workers council its fair game[1]. The reason why I assert this is that we have been forced to re-make a bunch of policies around products that have AI components. Claude was a pain because everything is recorded and stored in the compliance API. WE needed to get outside legal advice specifically for that part. [1] with caveats. G…

There is a difference between "recording" and being able to access it and review. Being able to record doesn't imply it's legitimate to review without cause.

> however you can still record what your users are doing for purposes of detecting fraud.

Which is what I asserted at the very start.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

rnjesus wrote: post #754
micromacrofoot wrote: post #591

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these people have never matured past childhood

the world makes a lot more sense once you realise there is no such thing as “adults”

I disagree! I would call many people adults. They're largely responsible and care about the impact they have on the world and other people.

It's certainly a murky thing to define, which is why I used "mature." Many adults are people who have not matured beyond childhood. This I agree with.

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Post by mywittyname »

kelseydh wrote: post #425
mywittyname wrote: post #230

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This is a flawed argument, the current system gets rid of good performers all the time, and we have evidence of wage suppression, so employees don't get to negotiate on fair terms. You just get stuck in your pay band. I agree it would be a good counter-factual, but I think the differences would be more around industry stability. Particularly, I think the ability for employees to push back against historical threats l…

Enrolment in computer science skyrocketed five-fold from 2009 to 2024. Dropped 15% since, for obvious reasons.

Sure, but when I went to university (2008ish), the local major university had cut their CS program entirely due to lack of enrollment. So that's likely measuring tough-to-peak growth.

Also, statistics usually merge all computer and technology related majors into a single bucket.

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Post by gaiagraphia »

Jtarii wrote: post #341
jkl5xx wrote: post #266

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This is a pretty uncharitable perspective. Most folks I know working at Meta or Amazon aren’t morally bankrupt. They just have kids, debt, poor parents with health problems, etc. They work at Meta to support their loved ones. And it’s not like you can walk onto the street and just wave down a morally superior job with similar pay and benefits. Blame the tech oligarchs, not the workers.

When you are paid $500,000+ a year you lose the right to use the "I'm just supporting my family" excuse. You sold your morals for a wheelbarrow of money, that is the end of the story.

People struggle with claiming responsibility for their actions.

They think a 6 digit salary is a god-given right, and that everybody else is to blame if their work results in negative externalities for the rest of society/the world.

It's quite ok to say "I chose the money and don't value x". I'd prefer the honesty, rather than people larping as moral crusaders and throwing blame around.

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Post by dredmorbius »

Ruthalas wrote: post #731
dredmorbius wrote: post #650

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Howso?

(Not parent) The second half differs dramatically in tone. If you were really into the specific feeling of the first half, it is very jarring. I found the whole thing very interesting and enjoyable, but I can imagine being excited for more content similar to the first half and being disappointed by the drastic shift in scale/tone/focus/etc.

That's definitely true.

I saw the book as two parts:

I: We have a problem, how do we solve it?

II: What are the (very long term) consequences of how we (and possibly others) solved that problem?

From that perspective, it fits pretty well, though yes, the tones of the two parts are decidedly different.

Wouldn't mind hearing from OP on their specific concerns.

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Post by gaiagraphia »

jryan49 wrote: post #23

Could anything be more ironic, the employees that work to track every person in the world are now being tracked themselves :)

If you look at idioms, human nature has never really changed. Most of our culture and outlook was defined by the Sumerians.

"You reap what you sow".

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Post by gaiagraphia »

menomatter wrote: post #270

Is Metas tracking more obscene than the traditional tracking suites at large corps like Crowdstrike? In 2017 I recall on launching a tor browser and in 15 mins physical security came to me that something fishy was going on.

I'm sure there's more to your story, but...

It's quite amusing imagining somebody working in a cybersecurity firm wondering why he's being questioned by security for opening up Tor at work. heh.

Surely your post effectively reads as an ad?

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Post by dredmorbius »

mikestorrent wrote: post #652
PaulHoule wrote: post #573

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It's the kind of list an LLM might make up.

...because it was fucking trained on Neal Stephenson, not the other way around, guy.

That's the awesome thing about Neal Stephenson being a timelord: He could train his own LLM on his own output and then go back in time and write LLM-generated fiction before it was cool.

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Post by lbrito »

999900000999 wrote: post #402
anticorporate wrote: post #149

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I quit tech at 40. I still do cool things with technology, but now at a community-owned grocery co-op. I can't recommend leaving tech highly enough. My cortisol levels are so much lower than they used to be. I don't have to schedule my life around EMEA and APAC meetings outside of my normal hours. I only work more than 40 hours a week if I feel like it, which I sometimes do, because I actually enjoy my work now. I ma…

> but I could probably sell my belongings and live a very good life on a beach somewhere in Latin America I actually think it’s easier to cut back vs chasing some magic high networth before retirement. The average salary in Costa Rica is only 1200$ a month. Meaning if you live an average life there you might be able to retire with 240k. Assuming 6% yields per year.

Don't wanna spoil your dream, but have you actually lived in Latin America? Cost of living might not be what you think. I also have the feeling that foreigners don't really understand the crime situation. Of course, its a big regions with some variation.

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Post by nicbou »

staplung wrote: post #412

Reminds me of one of the more brilliant passages in Snow Crash , describing work in "Fed Land"... ''' Y.T's mom pulls up the new memo, checks the time, and starts reading it. The estimated reading time is 15.62 minutes. Later, when Marietta does her end-of-day statistical roundup, sitting in her private office at 9:00 P.M., she will see the name of each employee and next to it, the amount of time spent reading this m…

Neil Stephenson is weirdly prescient in some of his novels. The people getting beamed the worst kind of slop on Fall has also been on my mind a lot recently.
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