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Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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It's interesting what political issues people make paramount. Apple does ewaste as a service but don't have a fraction of the criticism and infighting as the open source community.

Apple markets to a very different customer base.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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I'd bet a bunch of money that it's barely used anymore. Only benefit of trackpoint nowadays is that you don't move your hand. Otherwise, it's all downsides compared to modern trackpads, especially haptic ones like here. It's less precise, less ergonomic. Nowadays I'd rather move my hand a few centimeters off, than put regular strain on my forearm and struggle being precise with the pointer. And most thinkpad users, e…

I can tell you I use the mouse on my Thinkpad far more than on any other device I've used, all because it's frictionless and doesn't require me to move my hand.

I do too. But I'm starting to get some pain in my index finger, so I think it's probably time for me to move on. I hear Framework is shipping to my country now...

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Haptic trackpads are the secret sauce that make MacBooks so pleasant to use. You probably want one.

Haptic schmaptic, I just want my Framework's enormous trackpad to respect deadzones and stop detecting my palms. I had to entirely disable tap-to-click, because nothing else would work. I might have to try their preinstalled Ubuntu images or something and see if there's some secret sauce in the input configs.

How about this https://community.frame.work/t/palm-rejection/40069/23?page=...

> For Linux libinput “Disable While Typing” (DWT) problems, this page claims libinput will only use the DWT setting if the keyboard and touchpad are either both identified as internal devices, or are both identified as the same device.

sudo nano /etc/libinput/local-overrides.quirks

[Framework Touchpad Fix] MatchName=* MatchUdevType=touchpad AttrKeyboardIntegration=internal

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

#764

Nice upgrades, but no mention of ECC RAM, the single thing that I wanted from an upgrade for a decade? Why do chip makers refuse to take our money? :-P A few years ago we were told only "Pro" parts have ECC: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37828168

Confused, doesn't all DDR5 support inline ECC by default? Or are you talking about the ability to enable it in the BIOS/OS?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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I can tell you I use the mouse on my Thinkpad far more than on any other device I've used, all because it's frictionless and doesn't require me to move my hand.

I do too. But I'm starting to get some pain in my index finger, so I think it's probably time for me to move on. I hear Framework is shipping to my country now...

I agree the discomfort, or after a while, even the pain when using the trackpoint, is something very noticeable on modern thinkpads. I don't recall being this annoyed with the older thinkpads like T61, x200 and all. Or maybe we are just getting old and more fragile haha

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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M1 and M2 models run Asahi Linux, M3 and M4 don't run anything natively I think (but not entirely sure).

How is Thunderbolt or display port alt mode support?

https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/blob/main/docs/platform/f...

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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My main gripes: - There's zero mention of the display technology, just "2.8K Touchscreen Display" - The optional HDMI ("3rd Gen") adapter is only 4K 60hz, when the host chip has integrated Thunderbolt 4 which can output 4K 240Hz

Yes, it is HDMI version 2.0b -- they seem to try and hide that. Really need TB5 and HDMI 2.1 at least!

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

#768

I'm struggling to understand if this supports usb-c based thunderbolt

All four ports support Thunderbolt 4 - if you scroll down to "Interfaces" on the product specs page there's a graphic showing everything that's supported.

They do a terrible job with the documentation... making TB4 (superior) sound like it is USB-C (3.2 or something?). Only the Intel versions seem to support Thunderbolt, the AMD not which I think is the main issue.

Anyway, the next Frameworks need to adopt Thunderbolt 5 to handle modern HDMI 2.1 and 2.2, eGPU, Oculink, etc.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 Pro

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Do these laptops, either the Intel or the AMD version, work with eGPUs on Linux?

I have the 13" with AMD 7040 and eGPU worked fine, but I switched back to a SFF desktop as I couldn't git hot-swapping to work reliably and bandwidth loss over thunderbolt was a little more than I was happy with. But functionally/mechanically it worked

Were you not getting the full 40gbps?
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