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Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by 9864247888754 »

newsoftheday wrote: post #189
jeffbee wrote: post #170

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Oracle has made a large bet on being a cloud, but nobody wants their terrible cloud, which is reflected in their dollar-store prices. They staffed up and built facilities that they can't sell so I am not surprised they are now swinging the axe.

I posted a response from Gemini where I asked Gemini, "Do you have citations proving or disproving whether Oracle Cloud is still attracting cloud customers away from Azure, AWS and GCP?" and it seems it disagrees with your "nobody wants their terrible cloud" view.

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Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by fipar »

minkeymaniac wrote: post #596
fipar wrote: post #335

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My experience at the time was that it was perceived as not serious enough and lacking important features. If my memory isn't very bad, I believe as late as 2000 SQL Server still only supported AFTER triggers. In my experience in the late 90s and early 00s, besides Oracle and Sybase, DB/2 and Informix were also regarded as good. Oracle was considered the best though.

2000 for sure had instead of triggers.. I used them :-)

Thanks for the clarification, I guess my memory is very bad after all! :)

Do you remember if that was a recent addition?

Full disclosure: I was quite the newbie back then and most of what I "new" about SQL Server was what the more experienced coworkers told me. This was a very IBM-biased place so I'm not surprised they would have stuck to some old shortcoming, like people who still talk about bad MySQL defaults that have been changed for at least 10 years.

Up until that job (which was my second Actual Formal Job), all my DB experience had been with either dBase (I think III plus or IV) and access, so this was a whole new world with me.

It was through MS SQL Server that a colleague taught me about backups and recovery, after I ran an update in prod but forgot to include the where clause ... :)

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

Izkata wrote: post #479
smoyer wrote: post #365

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"At the time, MySQL existed ..." You had to be careful with MySQL back then as constraints were syntactic sugar but not enforced. PostgreSQL was indeed much tougher to manage but more full-featured.

Not just constraints, transactions were also a no-op. The MyISAM engine is still available in modern versions if you want to experience this, it's just not default anymore.

Yep, I've had to work with a MyISAM project with no transactions - it's a reasonably simple system thank goodness but a little scary all the same (and lots of boilerplate to deal with partial failures).

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by randomNumber7 »

wiseowise wrote: post #734
randomNumber7 wrote: post #698

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You have actually more to give if you are more productive. Germany acts like money grows on trees. Reality will come and hit hard.

> Reality will come and hit hard. Like it hit Block and Oracle workers already?

A bit harder unfotunately.

Less than 20 million people in germany pay more taxes than they get money from the government (if you consider state employees as getting money from the government). With a population of over 80 million.

Think about what happens if that is not financially viable anymore.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by FromTheFirstIn »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #100
newsoftheday wrote: post #57

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I used Google Gemini to confirm before I posted my comment. You're welcome to do the same.

“I used AI to confirm what I said” is not exactly the great comeback you think it is…

It went down 48%, I checked with my eyes instead of going through a hallucination layer.

Edit: sorry- thought this was about the stock price, not about picking up stragglers in cloud computing. I’m gonna contradict Gemini and say that’s bullshit marketing

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by sys_64738 »

ilovefrog wrote: post #549
dolphinscorpion wrote: post #15

Unless you're being offered a very good package, any firing email is cold. Let's be honest

It's crazy to me that companies are allowed to do this, given that staff are generally expected to be accommodating and give notice when they quit.

In the US you can simply stop going to a job. No need to tell anybody.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by burnt-resistor »

Problem part A. Working for a greedy, reckless corporation without belonging to a union and investing way too much time, effort, and emotional energy in a parasocial, dishonest, unfair, and fragile arrangement.

Problem part B. Not working for a sustainable, worked-owned co-op that prioritizes authenticity, fairness, stability, worker happiness, and customer satisfaction. Such environments have extremely low turnover. The main gotcha is they generally aren't scalable beyond medium-sized organizations, but the workaround is a loose federation of a multitude of similar and complementary organizations whom band together for purchasing power, common infrastructure, standards, and process templates.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by dcrazy »

sharadov wrote: post #635
seanhunter wrote: post #248

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Short answer: today I think there is genuinely nothing that anyone should use oracle for, but their database used to be seriously far ahead of the competition. A very long time ago (circa 2000) there were basically 2 databases that worked for use cases where you needed high availability and vertical scalability and those were Oracle and Sybase and Oracle was really the only game in town if you actually wanted certain…

SQL Server was pretty good until they went the Oracle way with their licensing shenanigans, but even with that they were a lot cheaper than Oracle. In fact SQL server was one of the few great products that came out of MS.

SQL Server started as a source fork of Sybase.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by dajt »

rbanffy wrote: post #320
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #150

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> a rudderless leech for nearly 30 years now. Yeah, from small interactions over the past two decades, I have no idea how they could have been so bad while employing so many people. What on earth were those 30k people doing?! Their solutions were crap for ages.

> What on earth were those 30k people doing?! Could be lawyers. Would we be sad if they were lawyers?

We would not be sad if they were lawyers. But I'm sure they were not lawyers. Lawyers are how Oracle generates revenue.

Developers & QA are cost centres and liabilties.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by johnnyanmac »

adi_kurian wrote: post #529
dijksterhuis wrote: post #434

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> harder to read and the page is half ads with an adblocker ... there is one ad on the page just above the graph about "Unlock Macrotrends Premium" which takes up 1.5/2cm of the page, while the graph underneath it takes up like 15cm. Then there's a bunch of other information on the page, none of which are ads. yes, there's a "you only get 5 page visits free" whole page pop-up thing, but there's an easy and well-known…

It's okay to use the chatbot. Nothing bad will happen. --- > Yes — the universal fallback is `full-time employees`. That phrase appears in the employee-count disclosure across Oracle's filings in this run. ([Securities and Exchange Commission][1]) > > If you want the exact string to paste into `Cmd-F`, use these: > > * FY2010: `As of May 31, 2010, we employed approximately 105,000 full-time employees` ([Securities an…

>Nothing bad will happen.

Funny to say that in a story like this.

I simply don't trust a chart with a botched legend to begin with.

>Legend: Each '' represents approximately 4,000 employees.

That's what put me off and once again reinforces that blindly copying AI does in fact bring harm.

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