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Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by Yiin »

corndoge wrote: post #746

I still don't understand what openclaw is or does and i've read the docs multiple times over. "Any OS gateway for AI agents across WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more. Send a message, get an agent response from your pocket. Plugins add Mattermost and more." "What is OpenClaw? OpenClaw is a self-hosted gateway that connects your favorite chat apps — WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more — to AI c…

it's something everyone thought about, few implemented for themselves and now with one of the implementations catching up in popularity for regular-ish people is easy way to have same setup without going through effort of developing one themselves - give it keys and it for the most part just works, whoa

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by aix1 »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #632
geophph wrote: post #601

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My life is wayyy too basic and simple to need any sort of always available digital agent like these!

I’m actually way happier once I actively started looking to REDUCE the technology in my life.

I've reached a similar conclusion, though not by targetting technology specifically. Rather, I got into the habit of asking myself "Does X enhance my life in some way?"

It's interesting what this simple question can uncover.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by techpression »

daxfohl wrote: post #555
mejutoco wrote: post #539

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Any website could in theory provide api access. But websites do not want this in general: remember google search api? Agents will run into similar restrictions for some cases as apis. It is not a technical problem imo, but an incentives one.

The rules have changed though. They blocked api access because it helped competitors more than end users. With claws, end users are going to be the ones demanding it. I think it means front-end will be a dead end in a year or two.

”End users” currently being people spending hundreds/thousands of dollars to set up custom brittle workflows, a whole total of a few thousands globally. Let’s not make this into something it’s not, personally I lost all trust in karpathy with his hyping of Clawdbot as som sci-fi future when all it was were people prompting LLMs to go write Reddit posts.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by CMay »

This feels like the 2026 version of "blog". A thing that didn't need a name and the name it now has contains "out of touch" qualities to it, but it spread easier under a name that got popularized so it wins out in evolutionary terms?

Unlike blog though, claw is camping on an existing word and it won't surprise me if people settle on some other word once a more popular, professional and security conscious variant exists.

I don't think operating through messaging services will be considered anything unique, since we've been doing that for over 30 years. The mobile dimension doesn't change this much, except for the difference between always connected and push notifications along with voice convenience being a given. Not using MCP was expected, because even in my personal experiments it was very natural to never adopt MCP. It's true that there are some qualities MCP has that can be useful, but it's extra work and friction that doesn't always pay off.

Total access + mobile messaging + real productivity is naturally addictive, and maybe it's logical that the lazy path to this is the first to become popularized, because the harder problems around it are simply ignored.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by jrvarela56 »

adrianN wrote: post #712
conception wrote: post #702

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!!DO NOT DO THIS!! You can use 1password and 1password cli to give it mfa access and passwords at its leisure.

One prompt injection away from sending all your credentials to the Internet?

Agree, i was going the vaultwarden route and figured this pattern seems better: https://fly.io/blog/tokenized-tokens/

Secrets are encrypted and the proxy decrypts on the fly if destination is whitelisted for that token.

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Post by aix1 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #425
jstummbillig wrote: post #406

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> Isn't it just waiting for input from different sources and responding to it? Well, yes. "Just" that. Only that this is at a high level a good description of how all humans do anything, so, you know.

Yeah, and if you give another human access to all your private information and accounts, they need lots of supervision, too; history is replete with examples demonstrating this.

But there's typically plenty at stake for the recipient. If my accountant tried to use my financial information in some improper way, he'd better have a good plan for what comes next.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by MillionOClock »

corndoge wrote: post #746

I still don't understand what openclaw is or does and i've read the docs multiple times over. "Any OS gateway for AI agents across WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more. Send a message, get an agent response from your pocket. Plugins add Mattermost and more." "What is OpenClaw? OpenClaw is a self-hosted gateway that connects your favorite chat apps — WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more — to AI c…

I'm glad you asked because I must admit that in the last few weeks I totally thought this was just another agentic harness that happened to have a lot of extensions + ways to talk to it through messaging apps. So does this mean OpenClaw can connect to any agent? In that case I don't understand this part of the docs:

> Legacy Claude, Codex, Gemini, and Opencode paths have been removed. Pi is the only coding agent path.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by fud101 »

Yiin wrote: post #761
corndoge wrote: post #746

I still don't understand what openclaw is or does and i've read the docs multiple times over. "Any OS gateway for AI agents across WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more. Send a message, get an agent response from your pocket. Plugins add Mattermost and more." "What is OpenClaw? OpenClaw is a self-hosted gateway that connects your favorite chat apps — WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more — to AI c…

it's something everyone thought about, few implemented for themselves and now with one of the implementations catching up in popularity for regular-ish people is easy way to have same setup without going through effort of developing one themselves - give it keys and it for the most part just works, whoa

do you have a hello world we can check out? i'm confused af.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by polotics »

xorcist wrote: post #168
amelius wrote: post #153

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Extending your driver's license. Asking the bank for a second mortgage. Finding the right high school for your kids. The possibilities are endless. /s <- okay

Any writers for Black Mirror hanging around here?

It's the other way around: hckrnews hanging around in Charlie Brooker's brains...

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by daniel_iversen »

corndoge wrote: post #746

I still don't understand what openclaw is or does and i've read the docs multiple times over. "Any OS gateway for AI agents across WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more. Send a message, get an agent response from your pocket. Plugins add Mattermost and more." "What is OpenClaw? OpenClaw is a self-hosted gateway that connects your favorite chat apps — WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more — to AI c…

You can go forth and back with some chatbots for details like this ("What is it and how is it different to..." etc). But it does a few things. If all you use it for is a generic chatbot for example then it's a huge waste of time for probably a mediocre result. But I'd probably call it an agent orchestration platform that you can interface with via your favourite messaging app. It can run multiple agents that can use skills, but it can also create it's own skills, update itself, write code and use tools (tons of wrappers to things like calendars, messaging etc). Which then really means you can in theory do "most" things but of course there's risks when you have the AI chain tools together and do whatever it wants (if you let it) and lots of people are trying to prompt inject it because a lot of users have connected sensitive accounts (mail, calendar, credentials, crypto stuff etc) to their bots to get maximum usage.
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